kevlar cut vests..pics...

[stoked]

Just wondering if anybody knows what grade of kevlar ugly dog ranch is using. I like my vest, but it did get cut through pretty early. I think the vest is 4 layers which should have been plenty. This shouldn't have happened. However, it did same my dogs life. I think the vest is made well..they don't fall apart.

(4 layer vest. Outer layer: 1050 Denier Nylon Ballistic. Inner layers: Dupont Kevlar, Ripstop, 1050 Denier Nylon Ballistic material. Comes standard with high neck that overlaps the cut collar and protective leg flaps/sleeves. Two neck straps, three body straps, nickel plated hardware, and refletive strips on each side. Light weight and flexible with full body coverage.)

I know there are many different types of kevlar, which is why im asking this question.

I know Jake, with southern cross, runs a lot of 600 that's treated I believe. I've heard water can break it down. Jake's vests have taken a lot of abuse and haven't been cut through.

I know Micheal Spiehler has his new vest out, and Says they are the same or better than Jake's.  Just got off the phone with him and he's running 850+ treated kevlar. I believe that you don't have to have 4 layers of kevlar if you have the right kevlar and other materials.

So anyway, here's a few pics.

[UNDERDOG]

Man I don't know the answer to what they use but why not just call them and ask? In my opinion and no offensce meant just my thoughts but on catch vest as long as all I get through mine is a poke then I am cool w/ that,only a poke but not a long cut. I think some peopple expect a vest to be inpenatrable under all circumstances but every hog is different as well as every dog is different in its size,weight and height as well as how they catch so I guess my point is if there ever is a vest that is 100% unpenatrable then you will sacrifice mobility and heat too much (and even if it was guaranteed unpenatrable I think used enough times the circumstance can arise where even the best may get a poke). I the poke in the pic is from the big hog you recently posted and if it was as rough as you said then your vest really did its job as that looked and sounded like a good,rough hog.The vest you have at this point for me is about what I like on mine,just about right...may get a poke very seldom but wont get the dog ripped.

[W-tate]

Stoked. Have u talk to L3 outdoor. U should call josh talk to him he uses viper cloth.

[Caney Creek Hog Doggers]

Man I think I have one just like it, went out Sun. and had one go through it and rip a dog pretty good. I've had the vest a few months a its been used maybe 10 times, I have lots of other vest, I think this one is going to be put aside, its way to thin.

[UNDERDOG]

Stoked. Have u talk to L3 outdoor. U should call josh talk to him he uses viper cloth.

Is this supposed to be in penatrable?

[W-tate]

Nothin is. Tusk proof. For say.  But his catch dog vest are two or three layers of viper cloth. Reinforced with thick biothane. Just contact him mine should be done this week

[UNDERDOG]

Nothin is. Tusk proof. For say.  But his catch dog vest are two or three layers of viper cloth. Reinforced with thick biothane. Just contact him mine should be done this week

Exactly....was it not determined in a recent vest post that the viper cloth was one grade below kevlar?

[Scott]

Caney Creek your vest was poked through the lighter material. The black portions of the vest are wet felt. That vest provides protection, but obviously not to the level you want. If you don't want that vest, send it to me...I'll use it

[W-tate]

Nothin is. Tusk proof. For say.  But his catch dog vest are two or three layers of viper cloth. Reinforced with thick biothane. Just contact him mine should be done this week

Exactly....was it not determined in a recent vest post that the viper cloth was one grade below kevlar?

I don't know about all that but I got an ugly dog devastator and some bay vest from L3. And I like the viper cloth

[hogdoggintexas]

Caney Creek your vest was poked through the lighter material. The black portions of the vest are wet felt. That vest provides protection, but obviously not to the level you want. If you don't want that vest, send it to me...I'll use it

X2

[UNDERDOG]

I don't know about all that but I got an ugly dog devastator and some bay vest from L3. And I like the viper cloth

Cool......

[UNDERDOG]

Caney Creek your vest was poked through the lighter material. The black portions of the vest are wet felt. That vest provides protection, but obviously not to the level you want. If you don't want that vest, send it to me...I'll use it

X2

Scott,if you get it can I borrow it? 

Casey, if you get it I will tade ya for that big one I got 

[Scott]

Scott,if you get it can I borrow it? 

Anytime....anytime

[hogdoggintexas]

deal   that one dont look lik it will fit my dane anyway

[stoked]

i was talking to mike about the viper cloth and people are saying good things about it. he said they havent had enough experience with it yet to really speak too highly about it. he did say that his new vests are what he is now running on his dogs and that he will bet money against his 3 or 4 layer vests against these 6 or 7 layer vests with 3 or more layers of kevlar. he said jake's vests have never been cut through, and they have caught a ton of trophy boars. he took 6 or so years of hunting those vests and made his own which are basically a hybrid of jakes that are modified with better features that they didnt like about the other vests.

[stoked]

from what i understand, the kevlar is still better. viper cloth feels a lot thicker which lead people to believe its better. kevlar is more cut proof and lighter on your dogs. a lot of people buy by feel which is not always better.

[BigAinaBuilt]

Stoked. Have u talk to L3 outdoor. U should call josh talk to him he uses viper cloth.

Is this supposed to be inpenatrable?

Viper cloth is inpenetrable by a snake if used in layers. I don't hunt snakes!! I am using the 3/4 Kevlar vest pictured in OP and have yet to have any complaints about its performance. I knew when I purchased it that I was sacrificing protection for the vest to be more lighter and more mobile on my dog, Now that I think about it I wish I would have had an extra layer of Kevlar put in on the underside of the ripstop but that is just me. Every vest and Breastplate has its pros and cons but as long as it is keeping the dogs vitals intact I believe it is serving its purpose.

[Cull Buck]

Nothin is. Tusk proof. For say.  But his catch dog vest are two or three layers of viper cloth. Reinforced with thick biothane. Just contact him mine should be done this week

Exactly....was it not determined in a recent vest post that the viper cloth was one grade below kevlar?

Yes, viper cloth is a second rate material to kevlar for cut resistence.

[mradel]

Take an ice pick to four layer kevlar vest and then do the same to a two or three layer Viper cloth. The ice pick goes right through the Kevlar BECAUSE all kevlar is an open weave material. Kevlar has nothing to hold the layers together so even if its quilted the quilts would have to be 1/2 or smaller to stop the layers from seperating enough for a sharp tooth to not find a hole and snag. Viper cloth is extremely tight woven and impregnanted with resin to hold the weave together. Viper cloth also works on shear thickness of material than anything. Two layers of Viper cloth is over 1/8 inch thick, and three layers is more than 3/16 inch thick. Add a 1/8 layer of Biothane on top and you have some really tuff stuff that will not hold water because the material is filled with resin and glued between layers. I will say that Viper cloth is not a good material for making leg hole style vests because of this thickness. Nothing is cut proof and one layer of Viper cloth or Kevlar is a waist of time in any style vest. Add the fact that your vest is not glued or quilted and it's no surprise that it got a hole in it. Add glue or something to hold the weave of Kevlar together and you make it ten times stronger, but 1 inch quilting will do little at all to add POKE resistance to Kevlar.

[cantexduck]

 Thanks for posting the pics. I think alot of people get caught up in the name game. No vest is bullet proof, well kevlar is bullet proof. So lets say no vest is cut proof, thats more like it. Those vests are made ten times better now then they were a few years ago. Cuts are going to happen. I think very few people can argue the materials in vests. I try but it is all stuff I read on the www. Hell even past vest makers have weak arguements. I like felt. Alot of people like kevlar. And vest makers also have to watch the bottom line................