Hunting range of Blue lacys

[Monteria]

Battle of the breeds.

I hope y'all have a crockpot cur division so that I can compete.

That is funny. My first though was.... It would be fun but the Mutts will win.

Steve

[muleman]

I have two dogs that are half lacy and half catahoula and i like them both alot. they are probably what most would call short range. Whatever range they are, it is what i like. Havent had good luck with either of the two full lacy's i had. one, was definitely on the short end of short range. the other was so shy you couldnt catch it with a dip net. But i have to say i do have some weird fascination with them and i still would like to find a good full lacy.....


Anyone know of any pups??

[TrueBlueLacys]

Chris, I think that is where the combo of shorter range plus shutting them down really helps you on small properties. Yes, I think that Lacys have bottom, but I think they will shut down the majority of hogs before a long chase ensues. We do run Garmins on all the dogs and they have run out of range chasing one. But I'd say at least half our "bays" are a few barks relatively close by followed by squeals. Even when they get on a big one and bay back, that bay doesn't move.

Steve said that compared to the RCDs he used to run in East Texas, the Lacys didn't seem very gritty, but after watching some of the curs y'all run in Flatonia, ours were practically bull dogs That being said, I don't think they are RCDs. They are very selective about when and what they grab. Just like a lead-in catch dog, I would expect a running catch dog to never bark and catch a pig 100% of the time regardless of size. The Lacys will stand back and bay until the cows come home if that's what works for that hog. But not very many hogs get a chance to break and run.

The way I understand it, that determination is the essence of bottom. Whether they are chasing or baying all day, bottom means they won't give up. It's not necessarily the distance they hunt out, it's their determination to stay on the pig. Right? Or do you consider bottom purely a distance thing?

[Cull Buck]

They seem to turn on real young but their progress stops somewhere between 1 and 1.5 years old.

Steve, interesting observation. That fits exactly what I've personally experienced with my dog.  He went from finding hogs and hunting pretty good to absolute junk at almost 1 yr old.  Then he turned 2 and all of the sudden he wants to be a staight up hog dog.  

[Circle C]

Julie,

    Your definition and my definition of bottom, pretty much jive. How long the dog is going to hang in there, be it trailing the hog, and/or baying the hog. 


The statement about not wanting to run tracking collars, yet having a dog with plenty of bottom, that will hang with a hog for weeks seems questionable though.

[Wmwendler]

Considering what the Lacy breed went through, almost extinction, and then comercialization in the pet trade.  It's amaizing that there are even very many left that will hunt at all.

Bryant......pm sent about your question.

Waylon

[Rachael Connally]

Sorry, Circle C, I meant that just as a statement that Lacys do have the drive to work their tails off and will work just as hard as any other breed.  It was an extrapolation, of course.  The dogs have bottom, but they're not gonna follow an age-old trail like a hound would.  And when they get their bacon, they're gonna bay him up right.

[Circle C]

I figured the weeks was an exaggeration...

[Monteria]

Considering what the Lacy breed went through, almost extinction, and then comercialization in the pet trade.  It's amaizing that there are even very many left that will hunt at all.

That could not be stated any better.... You even called them Lacy instead of "Blue" Lacy.

It astounds me that some people think the blue ones are somehow special or different from the red and tri color ones. Or that the breed as a whole should be distinguished as the "Blue" Lacy.

Up until the massive commercialization effort, which began about 12 or 15 years ago, they are just plain old Lacy dogs. Historically, no one cared about color, their performance was key. Now of course it is a novelty and marketing tool.

If an individual animals color is actually blue, that is fine. Isn't it silly to call a red dog a Blue Lacy? People do not call yellow Labs Black Labs, do they?

That's just a pet peeve of mine. If I get an inquiry for "Blue" Lacy pups, it goes directly into the recycle bin, I won't even read the e-mail. Ill get off of my box now.

Steve

[TexasHogDogs]

Quote from: Monteria on Today at 09:45:40 am
They seem to turn on real young but their progress stops somewhere between 1 and 1.5 years old.


Steve, interesting observation. That fits exactly what I've personally experienced with my dog.  He went from finding hogs and hunting pretty good to absolute junk at almost 1 yr old.  Then he turned 2 and all of the sudden he wants to be a staight up hog dog.  

Excatly what I have experinced with Lacys.  Some I  have seen have not turned on again till around three years old and then continue to improve. 

THD

[Wmwendler]

Considering what the Lacy breed went through, almost extinction, and then comercialization in the pet trade.  It's amaizing that there are even very many left that will hunt at all.

That could not be stated any better.... You even called them Lacy instead of "Blue" Lacy.

It astounds me that some people think the blue ones are somehow special or different from the red and tri color ones. Or that the breed as a whole should be distinguished as the "Blue" Lacy.

Up until the massive commercialization effort, which began about 12 or 15 years ago, they are just plain old Lacy dogs. Historically, no one cared about color, their performance was key. Now of course it is a novelty and marketing tool.

If an individual animals color is actually blue, that is fine. Isn't it silly to call a red dog a Blue Lacy? People do not call yellow Labs Black Labs, do they?

That's just a pet peeve of mine. If I get an inquiry for "Blue" Lacy pups, it goes directly into the recycle bin, I won't even read the e-mail. Ill get off of my box now.

Steve

Steve.......I like to keep it old school.  One time a young Lady saw the TDHA sticker on my truck and ask me If I knew about blue lacy's I said don't have a clue but I've seen Lacy dogs work.  She said whats that?  I said you... mean whats Work? or whats a Lacy dog?  lol.  Do you ever use yours on cattle?  I think it would be intresting to put a lacy to work for a year or two gathering cattle 4-5 days a week and see how it stacks up against these Common cur dogs in South East Texas that have been doing it day in and day out for generations.

Waylon

[bghogdogtx]

I belive the Lowe Family in Alto use there's on cattle alot

[Monteria]

I do not work cattle. In fact, mine are all cattle broke.

I know that the Lows use theirs on cattle but I think that they are hogdogs first and cattle wranglers in the event that they are needed. I also know of a couple other people who use theirs on cattle from time to time but again, not exclusively. Even the old timer ranchers around here, who have bred and used these dogs to work their ranches for generations, seem to cross-train all round stock/hunting  ranch dogs.

If you know of anybody who uses stock dogs exclusively on a daily basis, and want to try one out, I might just come up with a pup for them. If for nothing else, to satisfy my own curiosity.....

I would imagine that mine would make better hog dogs, because that is what I select for, but I may be wrong about that too.

Steve

[TrueBlueLacys]

One of my favorite Lacy photo shoots was with Brian Treadwell and his cow dog Mary. Of course he doesn't have range cattle, just a small operation in Christoval plus I think they rotate some in and out of the family hunting operation. He has two Lacys, and apparently the week before we came his male had gotten tangled up in the electric fence and just started coming out of his dog house again. Brian brought both dogs out with him, but the male passed under the electric fence and then got nervous and wouldn't cut back through. Steve lifted up the fence for the dog, went to push him through and accidentally shocked him That poor son of a gun, I've never seen a dog run so fast in my entire life! It ended up just being Brian and Mary working, and I certainly enjoyed the show.

Anyway, I'd love to see a Lacy used the way someone like cward works his dogs. Like Steve, I'm curious, cause I've heard of old timers doing it. I actually heard some stories from a woman whose parents in Alpine use them that way when I was at a spa in downtown Austin

[Bump]

A battle of the breeds probably could not been done at the hunt for the hungry.....but it would be interesting for a later date.

You would have to just break down a crossbred dog division  somehow or another. Maybe it is something we can talk to TDHa about.

It was just an idea....it may not pan out.

[Circle C]

Rex,

   There is this "other" Lacy association, I bet if I play my cards right, I could get my crockpot curs registered with them. We'll start a new fad... Black Lacy's , and Saddleback Lacy's... Heck, maybe we could even get Niemen's to put them in their catalog as the latest "must have" for the new year.

Then I could compete in the Battle of the Breeds.

BTW,  I once heard about some Jagd's that had a little Lacy in them   I bet you could get them registered as broken coat Lacy's.

[Bump]

My dogs are crossed with african lions. I dont know about the lacy.

But on the cross bred division mentioned from above....I meant you could have a category. This may be a dumb idea but I think it might possibly gather plenty of interests and hunters ......as long as it was creditable.

[Monteria]

Rex,

   There is this "other" Lacy association, I bet if I play my cards right, I could get my crockpot curs registered with them. We'll start a new fad... Black Lacy's , and Saddleback Lacy's... Heck, maybe we could even get Niemen's to put them in their catalog as the latest "must have" for the new year.

Then I could compete in the Battle of the Breeds.

BTW,  I once heard about some Jagd's that had a little Lacy in them   I bet you could get them registered as broken coat Lacy's.

These days all you need is some blue hair. I have heard them claim that Roy Hinds dogs are Lacy

Hell ya there are 70lb Lacy Dogs out there, there always have been.

Those old timers like Stodgehill, Wilkes, the Bircks, Sultimiers, Usseries and Helen Lacy Gibbs, each of whom have been around the dogs for 80+ years don't know what a real Lacy Dog is supposed to look or act like...... Hazel Oatman Bowman, Mike O'Daniel Joe Freeman, the Fitzsimons and everyone else quoted in the "Hog Dogs and Their Ranch Uses" article, printed in the 1941 edition of The Cattleman, have no idea what a Lacy Dog is supposed to look like or how they should work.... Paul Lynn, published in Texas Parks and Wildlife magazine 1952, has no idea either..... How about Ed Lacy, son of George Lacy, published in 1956? Do you think he knew what the dogs his daddy and uncles standardized should look and act like? Hell, even the Lacy brothers themselves didn't know what the they were talking about when they state in historic documentation that Lacy Dogs are small, quick and agile!

The TLGDA and TLGDR, which came into existence a couple of years AFTER I lost my virginity, will tell you. They are the ones who know what a Lacy Dog is supposed to look and act like and there always have been 70lb Lacy Dogs!

Please read all of my tirade with extreme sarcasm..... Except the first sentence. That first one is 100% TRUE!

Steve

[Circle C]

 

[TrueBlueLacys]

The TLGDA and TLGDR, which came into existence a couple of years AFTER I lost my virginity, will tell you. They are the ones who know what a Lacy Dog is supposed to look and act like and there always have been 70lb Lacy Dogs!

You lost your virginity?