Is this type of press bad for most hog doggers?

[Circle C]

Southside,

    I have met Josh and listened to Josh in person on a few occasions and I have no problem telling him in person that I personally don't agree with the way pack hunters were portrayed in the article. Maybe he did not intend for it to be published in the tone that it was, but he  endorses it on his website.

You are correct that he used to post on ETHD, and when members questioned some of his claims, he asked to have his account deleted. He's welcome back here anytime.  Now, you didn't see anyone on ETHD bash Ned Makim for hunting a different style...there is a reason, Ned uses tact, and people are respectful of that trait. I also haven't seen Ned or any others at this point have an interview/article published making themselves look better at other hunter's expense.  Something to think about....

[BigAinaBuilt]

As you can tell from a few responses he has a few "closer" friends still on the board and I for one would appreciate it if they would ask him to tighten his helmet straps stretch out and return. I joined right around the time he decided to make his exit and I would love to discuss hogdoggin with him as I enjoy discussing and learning from anybody who has an interest or the patience to talk with me.

[southsidehunter]

 Exactly, just cause ned or whoever didn't do it doesn't mean everyone else can't do what they want, there isn't any hog hunting gods that says we have to do it that way. Josh chose to do an interview oh well, if it makes him look good great if it doesnt oh well. What do you think ford chevy and all those competitors do same things( like george lopez say's its the same $h!t)  making himself look better and us look bad lmao. Don't worry like the other thousands of hog hunters.

[southsidehunter]

I have never met him, I have never hunted with him so just cause some of us are defending him doesn't mean we are close. Good try though . I love to here his stories I honestly didn't believe what he said I even told him when I talked to him I got to see to believe.

[BigAinaBuilt]

I was speaking of MrAdel and W-tate but if anybody talks to him and  is on good terms with him I would appreciate his input and critic of my style if he would be willing to chat.

[Skrag]

I think just about anyone who runs dogs has a right to be mad about this. Its not how he hunts or that he did a interview or that he is selling himself and dogs[good for him]. The problem is that he does it by putting the other guys down. This would be the same thing as a guy that uses all bmcs saying that people that use bull dogs are dangerous for your family and livestock. Again people can have opinions and think whatever they want but if you do any kind of interview dont make the sport look bad for crying out loud.

[got2catchem]

What do you think ford chevy and all those competitors do same things( like george lopez say's its the same $h!t)  making himself look better and us look bad lmao.

There's a big difference in backing up your claims and just talking out of your ass. Which if the article is quoted, seems like he did, not to mention the fact that he has this "mis-quoted" article on his site. I don't think the argument is over one-out hunting being effective, I think it's over... one hunter downing another style with ridiculous & detrimental claims to promote his style as the most "effective''.

[uglydog]

Dang it people - Read the article before you reda the responses and try to find an arguement.


Then if you think ETHD if being unfair or acting like little girls go somewhere else.

READ THE ARTICLE, there is a big difference between self promotion, which is what most people do, and the "My WAY iS BETTER" and then start telling all the resons why your way is better.

If you want to promote yourself !Yeah! Go For It! but don't say you are better and definately don't make it out as if all the others are "Not humane" All the others Get "MORE DOGS KILLED" all others "CROSS FENCES" and "ALL OTHERS CAN'T "AFFORD to TAKE CARE OF THEIR DOGS PROPERLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MANY"

READ THE ARTICLE, that is what this post is about not bashing someone for the way they hunt! READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN

[Circle C]

richard and krystal,

I see y'all read the same article too!

[bmoney]

this is the way I see it.  Its like trying to date my ex-girlfriend I dont care if you date her just dont dog me to do it.  

[slimpickins]

Chris, Krystal, I read the same article as y'all. I'm still waiting on an explanation on how he stuck his neck out for TDHA. How about it mradel? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[cantexduck]

So has anyone told a LO that running dogs is better then trapping?

  I see your point Chris and I agree. Everyone has said things that they regret later on. But this was in print so........................... Bad words to say/print.

  I wish Josh would post up so we can get his input on the matter.

[Curdog]

Uglydog..... you nailed it. Some people talk when they should be listening or READING... and not talking.

[dabutcher]

Well...... This may suprise some given the past month of events.  First off, I didn't agree with the article, but Josh had mentioned that it didn't quite get printed the way he told the reporter.  I can't say how much of it is misquoted but he did say some of it was.  Personal feelings aside, the guy produces hogs. 

Rex,

I hate to tell you this but you are dead wrong on the sight hunting.  I've hunted with Riddick in THICK brush and the dog flat out hunted my baydog.  I was a bit skeptical until I saw it with my own eyes.

And I'm definitely interested to see how he stuck his neck out for TDHA, as I know exactly what your trying to imply.  And you and him may be the only one that realizes he was BAITED by me, because he was going behind my back telling people things I had told him in confidence to vent while somethings were going on. 

BUT the Sheriff's department (which was turned into PETA) was to bait his ace so I could prove he was telling other certain BOD members things i had said.  If that's sticking your neck out, that's comical at best.  All it did was prove he was completely untrustworthy in my book.  And he did that hiself, I just had to give him the bait.  Maybe you should call up Gilbert and the sheriff's department oer there and see if there was anything reported.  Just like you said though, there's always 2 sides to every story.

[slimpickins]

Excellent post dabutcher. "Personal feeling aside, he produces hogs. "
Folks, this is a true testament as to the character of dabutcher.
Those of you, like myself, that know the history between these two woud agree.
Still waiting on the whole TDHA and his neck being stuck out.
Dabutcher, well said and look forward to seeing you in a few weeks.

[Eric]

There is some validitly to the idea of running fewer dogs. To many land owners the fewer dogs and people it takes to get the job done, the better. With that said, he is stereotyping all hog hunters to promote himself.

I have talked with Josh on several occasions on the phone and in person about running multiple dogs. He is very nieve to things outside his box. He showed interest in trying to get out and hunt with other people but obviously has not made it yet.

[BarrNinja]

I think its a very weak sales pitch that relies more on throwing mud on other styles than it does on its own merits.
 

I just read the article and every post on this thread. Cull Buck summed it up best for me. I dont see how you can see it any other way from where I sit. I'm sure these folks are real nice and they seem to have the respect of others on this site. That has some merit with me but, the statements and implications made in the article are completely unacceptable to me also.

 ( Re: Is this type of press bad for most hog doggers? ) Yes it is in my opinion.  

[dabutcher]

I hope to see ya too, Mr. Stark.

This is the thing about Josh, that i learned from talking quite a bit to him and spent a good bit of time with him.  He knows his stuff and  his wife has a great business sense.  I guess I don't get so offended to it because I know that's what it is.  The guy is trying to make a living hunting hogs.  It's no different than the bashing between Microsoft and Apple or Ford and Chevy.  Do I think we need to be united and not down another style of hunting, YES.  BUT, how do you seperate yourself from all the outlaw doghunter (and we all have to admit there are ALOT of them).  You adopt a style of hunting from another country that hasn't gained in popularity in here and use it as a marketing tool.  Is "one out" effective, yes.  Do you get more dogs hurt hunting "one out", i honestly have to say NO, in my experience.  I hunted with Josh in Sinton on some of his property and Riddick caught 1.5 miles from us.  It was wet and slow going and it took us every bit of 45 minutes to get to him.  the hogs back was no lie even with or just below his danes back, we couldn't get to him because they were across the bar ditch headed away from us (the hog was big enough to drag a 130lb dog hanging off it's head and gain ground on us).  The dog came back with not a scratch on him, minus a tree branch that got jammed under his skin from the hog trying to break him off by dragging him across the trees.  That says a lot to me.  I don't know too many catch dogs that could hold that long and not get cut down.  Maybe it has to do with the style of dog and it's holding style but i do know they can work the hog more because there isn't a pile of dogs all trying to catch on the same hog.  Just my opinion.  definitely not saying one is better than another though.  I think they both have their place in the woods.

[BoarBuster67]

My question is when was the article written? Not everyone speaks politically correct when they speak to the public, Im not defending anyone because I dont know all the circumstances. I know everyone likes to shine in the spotlight. We as dog hunters tend to knock trapping and shooting hogs as a good method of hog control. Just read another article on someone loosing dog rights to a trapper and shooter. What it amounts to in this time and day is that its a dog eat dog world for hog doggers everyone is looking for more places to hunt . Now Im not going to say that this guy is right or wrong. He did say things to knock the way others hunt, I hunt with alot of people and dont like half of there styles , nor would I run my dogs like they do. But thats how they have been hunting and it works for them. If I could spend the money on 1 dog and a catch dog and catch what I catch now , I have to be honest I would really let you know how good my dogs were, but Im a pack kinda guy. I think this topic needs to cool down, because it sounds like its a heated subject and there are a lot of good people on this sight , no need for a debate. Yall have a nice day. All I want is to catch all your hogs,lol  

[Eric]

He went past just promoting his deal for business purposes in my opinion. That will be about par for the course to see him preaching for Tdha, you can really see his promote and protect the rights of all dog hunters attitude in the article.