FASTEST running CD you've ever seen?

[dabutcher]

how much stamina does that greyhound have though?  they are the fastest but from what i've read they're not good for long endurance runs.  any truth to that Mandi??   

that's why i'd think the staghound x or a dane or dane cross would be ideal.  if you're hunting cane piglywigly you should go check out ozziedoggers.org   they hunt sugarcane and it's nasty thick and they use those "big ol dogs" in that stuff with obvious success.

[Piglywigly]

Yeah I don't know the answer to that either?? I wonder how long they would make it, cause many of nights we run one for 3-4 miles.

I'll have to check that site out. Maybe the Ozzie way is better than ours. I like hearing a bay, but having a one-out CD might be a good dog to have.

[dabutcher]

I don't know about that, i think they both have their place in a given situation.  But, I know those style of dogs are underestimated in thick brush, imo.    those long legged dogs don't run much different than a deer.  just a thought.

[BigAinaBuilt]

2 of my dogs are Greyhound crosses and the other is a Whippet X. If you ask me I like the Whippet cross better as she is smaller and alot more agile then my Greyhounds as they stand at 27''- 30'' at the shoulder blades compared to my whippet who is 22. It is true the GH is a sprinter but my crosses have no problem being run from 6 AM - 5 PM twice a week but I did try 3 times in a wek and he showed signs of fatigued muscles. I haven't been able to get good video of my dogs working yet as a few have asked for but once I do I will post it up.

[aladatrot]

Stamina - yeah, not so much there. We have hunted foxy horseback all day long (clocked 30 plus miles on the garmin), but she is really only good for a few hours. That said, the dog comes to life at a bark no matter how tired she is. It's all in how you use the dog. I mainly use the greyhound as a lead in. I keep her back in case the cur dogs are getting smoked (she goes to a bark) or in case we get on a spare hog going to a bay and need her to run it down. She gets off the mule, does her thing, and gets loaded back up to rest. I can use her all day long like this.

I guess you could use a pit/dane cross but I never have. I have a friend who is a dane breeder. She had to import danes from australia because she swears up and down that american danes are plagued with too many health problems (hips and elbows). We have spoken at great length about her dogs, and she is of the opinion that the stamina is an issue either way you go. Plus, I don't envy her feed bill. That's not to say danes shouldn't be used - they have a lot to bring to the table. I based my opinions on what my contact had to say about her dogs. There is also the fact that I am dreadfully biased towards greyhounds in case you haven't noticed.

The long and short of it is that greyhounds do not have good stamina. Again, hybrid vigor would likely fix some of that problem in either cross.

I am also the first to admit that my purebred greyhound is a novelty. I enjoy her even though some folks wouldn't feed her. I don't think a greyhound is the ticket to catching every hog, but I sure believe that mine has come in handy for my purposes. There are good and bad attributes to every breed, but in my opinion the crosses sometimes offer a better package than the prurebred.
Cheers
M

[aladatrot]

Guys, I am foaming at the mouth for some pics of these sighthound crosses!

Cheers
M

[dabutcher]

i was just curious is all.  i think your friend is dead right about danes, most of the larger bred danes (which is most of them now) aren't very physically sound from what I've researched.  I'd look for something on the small end of the breed standard (which is what i have) if you're going american bred.  I also think you're definitely right about the hybrid vigor would fix up the greyhound.  i could see a greyhound x bull/bird dog cross would be a bang up cross, imo.  i know the australians use a lot of greyhound crosses.  i'm curious about a greyhound x dogo myself.

let me see if i can get my stupid camera to work......it'll take pics but it's not saving them to the card or the internal memory   gonna have to send it in.

[aladatrot]

Greyhound dogo sounds more interesting to me than a greyhound bird dog cross. I personally wouldn't want a greyhound cross out there hunting. I would for my own purposes prefer one to conserve energy and go to a bark.

Big a, how do you hunt your crosses? I will start another thread so we don't mooch this guy's topic with my 20 questions.

Cheers
M

[Brendan]

Yeah I don't know the answer to that either?? I wonder how long they would make it, cause many of nights we run one for 3-4 miles.

I'll have to check that site out. Maybe the Ozzie way is better than ours. I like hearing a bay, but having a one-out CD might be a good dog to have.

Not sure what dogs you have access to over there but what about crossing a pit over a rough coated stag, something that could run down and kill coyote's for example, should give you a fast dog with tough skin, stamina, speed and a thicker bone structure. Just a thought I really have no idea what is what with dogs in the USA just thought i would throw the idea up.

I wouldn't say our way is better, it gets results over here but running dogs one out isn't as common as some like to make out, has it's good points in some areas and scenarios but has it's risks as well. I would have 2 or 3 fast catch dogs and let them go together, will increase your catch rate and give them some back up on a rough hog if needed. Just my opinion though.

[Piglywigly]

I'm thinking staghound x greyhound crossed w/ ridgeback x dogo w/ a sliver of Dane x AB!  I think that should catch all the runners.

big a built.... You like the 22" dog better, how come?

[Piglywigly]

Yeah I don't know the answer to that either?? I wonder how long they would make it, cause many of nights we run one for 3-4 miles.

I'll have to check that site out. Maybe the Ozzie way is better than ours. I like hearing a bay, but having a one-out CD might be a good dog to have.

Not sure what dogs you have access to over there but what about crossing a pit over a rough coated stag, something that could run down and kill coyote's for example, should give you a fast dog with tough skin, stamina, speed and a thicker bone structure. Just a thought I really have no idea what is what with dogs in the USA just thought i would throw the idea up.

I wouldn't say our way is better, it gets results over here but running dogs one out isn't as common as some like to make out, has it's good points in some areas and scenarios but has it's risks as well. I would have 2 or 3 fast catch dogs and let them go together, will increase your catch rate and give them some back up on a rough hog if needed. Just my opinion though.

that's interesting!!! I know a staghound is taller than a ridgeback, a lot of those stag's are sitting 30" easy. Would they do as well as a dogo x ridgeback cross as far as gritt? Aren't they a mild tempered type dog? I know absolutely nothing about them except they are leggy as hell.

[BigAinaBuilt]

 PIGLYWIGLY-She is alot more agile then the bigger dogs  as I run in pretty thick forests majority of the time so I have had more success with her stopping the runners because she can juke through all the branches and stumps.

Aladatrot- I will post in your thread in a few minutes when I return as my kids just got off the bus and I have to pick them up from the bus stop BRB!

[ETHHunters]

Lots of staghounds, julyhounds, and some others on here used to catch coyote's tesboard68150.yuka.com/

[makenbeans]

Fastest RCD ive seen was a red nose pitbull.
60lbs solid muscle, nice and leggy with a deep chest.
could do it on the open and in the thick!

[dabutcher]

that's interesting!!! I know a staghound is taller than a ridgeback, a lot of those stag's are sitting 30" easy. Would they do as well as a dogo x ridgeback cross as far as gritt? Aren't they a mild tempered type dog? I know absolutely nothing about them except they are leggy as hell.

i think you'd be surprised.  the bull blood will definitely harden them up in most cases.  quite a few guys use staghounds or stagx.  i have one that hasn't turned on yet but he's only 12months old.  i posted a pic of him on Mandi's thread.

[Piglywigly]

PIGLYWIGLY-She is alot more agile then the bigger dogs  as I run in pretty thick forests majority of the time so I have had more success with her stopping the runners because she can juke through all the branches and stumps.

Aladatrot- I will post in your thread in a few minutes when I return as my kids just got off the bus and I have to pick them up from the bus stop BRB!

that's interesting, hmmm, now you got me scratching my head??

[Brendan]

that's interesting!!! I know a staghound is taller than a ridgeback, a lot of those stag's are sitting 30" easy. Would they do as well as a dogo x ridgeback cross as far as gritt? Aren't they a mild tempered type dog? I know absolutely nothing about them except they are leggy as hell.
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Stag x bull was a fairly common cross here going back 20, 30 years or so and still a few running around today, not as sharp in the finding department as something with hound or bird dog in it but still capable finders on a hot/fresh scent. As a catch dog to back up bay dogs or run down their own pig that broke cover they where lethal, very fast and hard hitting. Pure bred stags here are used on a variety of game including pigs and if you do your homework and source a well bred stag they are very gritty. They are a really mild tempered dog at home but once it's time to hunt they really switch on. They can be slow maturing though pure so a good touch up to early can set them back but by crossing the bull blood into them you overcome this. I can only talk on our Aussie dogs though but I think if you went with a stag that would take on coyotes by itself and crossed that with a pit or some other bull blood you would have a dog with plenty of grit and speed. Dogo x Ridgeback I can't really comment as dogo's are illegal here so I have no history with them sorry, we have some weird laws regarding dogs let me tell you.

[BigAinaBuilt]

Christams Berry is a thick branchy tree that is spreading through our forests and is a pain and I have found that my whippet cross can manuever alot better through this then my bigger dogs

[Piglywigly]

Fastest RCD ive seen was a red nose pitbull.
60lbs solid muscle, nice and leggy with a deep chest.
could do it on the open and in the thick!

around my neck of the woods, people thick the bigger the better. I'm guilty of that too. I liked when people's jaws dropped when they saw the head on my Pitt. He'll hold and catch anything until we get a running hog. I just tired of slow dogs. We could have caught that hog the other night, but it might have taken 4 hours. Eventually, the hog will come to a spot where he is forced to take a bay. My dogs are great about sticking with a hog. After 2 hours, it's like they are waiting on me to call the whole race off. They come home, eyes all ruffed up around the edges from stick cane. They sleep all day and look like hell when they get up.  

[goose]

JMO but if i were in your position i would try a julyhound/pit then cross that with a greyhound/pit...but would use smaller framed hard biting pits the greys would add speed the july would add bone,speed,some nose, and bottom, and we all know wat the pit would add...by crossing those two crosses i believe would take the mouth out of the july hound part...but like i said JMO