Unplanned litter

[Circle C]

Michael,

    Something to chew on for sure .  I have dogs that I hunt and enjoy hunting behind even though I don't think they are exceptional dogs. Hence my reason for not wanting to reproduce them. I feel they warrant feeding but not breeding.

[duece24]

How can a litter be culms just becaus it's unplanned doesn't make sense to me. I agree with the last post...i understand circle c's stance some dogs are a pleasure to hunt behind but they aren't the type of dog u would breed

[bignasty]

To me there's a difference in unplanned and unwanted.  I have had a couple of litters of unplanned, but they werent unwanted.  If you have two curs that breed and the litter is unwanted you need to cull your curs IMO.  What im trying to say is why own a dog that you wouldn't consider good enough to breed?  Haha, i just thought of something...If you wouldn't breed it, dont feed it.   

now i like that theory, :)hey if yall so against accidental breedings how about step up responsible dog ownership or just get the bitch an abortion and spayed at the same time

[Circle C]

Bignasty, what if a young gyp gets bred on her first heat before you know if she is going to make a dog ?  Does she still need to be spayed?

[Circle C]

I sure have enjoyed reading the different opinions on this thread.   Also nice to see a somewhat controversial subject remain civil

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

I can fire it up if you aregetting board Chris.LOL just joking

[Circle C]

Ronnie ,

Thanks for the offer, bit I think I will pass.

[3-Bdogs]

i know there have been unplanned litters produce some nice dogs also seen breeding that were planned For yrs that didn't have a single dog i would feed so with that said you just need to know if you want to test em or not and how i see that is if you wouldn't feed it then i wouldn't either cause they are your dogs and if you don't think they will make dogs then don't sell em... either cull or give em away and be honest about em also keep in mind if you give em away and they all turn out then later on if you want some pups you have an idea what they will throw JMO

[de_moon]

Once she has a litter with the right male and those pups work out, she too will be fixed.

Why will you spay her after she has one litter out of the right male?  What if you decide you would like another litter a year or two down the road?  What if another male comes along that you like even better than the one you bred her to in the first place?  What if one of her sons turns out exceptional & you wish you could linebreed her?

Just asking

[duece24]

3bdogs i agree completely with you, that is all that i've been trying to explain. to simply say i didn't plan this breeding, cull the whole thing. i planned this breeding i'm keeping them all. well that is a little off to me. i wouldn't say to sell the unplanned breeding, but if both dogs are good dogs why not give the pups a chance? doesn't make sense to me to cull a litter from two good dogs just cause YOU didn't plan it. now if you have an unplanned litter and you don't know who the sire is, THEN i would cull the whole litter cause you have no idea what the bloodline is..or keep the litter get them all fixed and still give them a shot to be great hog dogs. i wouldn't breed those dogs cause i wouldn't know what was behind the dogs, so i wouldn't know how i would like to breed those particular dogs...

circle c it is amazing how much information you can get on controversial subjects when people act like adults...kind what this whole hog hunting forums is supposed to be about huh...lol

[de_moon]

I am a big fan of spaying & neutering average dogs.  I have owned and hunted with several good dogs that were fixed.  I don't own an EXCEPTIONAL dog & should probably fix every one of mine.  I am not against spaying or neutering...I just wonder why you would ever neuter an exceptional dog.  Sure you can hunt her more and not worry about her getting nocked up, but it seems that a dog you like that much is worth keeping intact.

[BOSS HOGG]

3bdogs i agree completely with you, that is all that i've been trying to explain. to simply say i didn't plan this breeding, cull the whole thing. i planned this breeding i'm keeping them all. well that is a little off to me. i wouldn't say to sell the unplanned breeding, but if both dogs are good dogs why not give the pups a chance? doesn't make sense to me to cull a litter from two good dogs just cause YOU didn't plan it. now if you have an unplanned litter and you don't know who the sire is, THEN i would cull the whole litter cause you have no idea what the bloodline is..or keep the litter get them all fixed and still give them a shot to be great hog dogs. i wouldn't breed those dogs cause i wouldn't know what was behind the dogs, so i wouldn't know how i would like to breed those particular dogs...

circle c it is amazing how much information you can get on controversial subjects when people act like adults...kind what this whole hog hunting forums is supposed to be about huh...lol

Im with this guy

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

Im going to say this and it is not pointed at anyone just IMO. WE are talking here with people that breed dogs and people here that just want a dog that runs pigs. There is a BIG difference. The breeder of his dogs has in his mind what he is wanting to get out of a breeding. Some of you dont care and will take anything that might run a pig. If one of my females got breed to your best dog I would still cull the hole litter. Even if you said you would take the hole litter. Because the first time one of them acted bad it would be my dogs fault and not yours. But that will never happen because I keep very close eyes on my females. I have seen some guys take there females hunting just to get a chance to breed to a guys male.

[sfboarbuster]

I have a gyp that just got bred that was unplanned. She is a good dog, good enough to breed in my opinion.
The male I am not 100% yet. I have only had him for a little while, but he comes from awesome bloodlines.
I'm planning on keeping two, then giving the rest away to people that I know will cull them if they don't turn out.

I will hunt about anything regardless of bloodlines.
I guess because not many people in these parts have good bloodlines that go way back except some bigger ranches that you can't get dogs from.
So I just hunt what I can find and cull if they don't work out.

[duece24]

rockin p it sounds like you need to run with some with new people. i don't think i run with one person that would take a pup from an unplanned breeding and when it didn't act right say it was your dog and not theirs. WE would say THAT particular pup is a cull and no one dog would "get the blame" for the pup not turning out. also i dont run with one person that would bring a gyp in heat with the intent of getting and accideantal breeding to someones dog.

you are also very right in yoru statement as far as breeders and people that are running pigs. i don't consider myself a breeder, i want dogs that find and stop pigs. i don't care if it comes from a planned breeding ro not. if one of those pups turns out, and both parents are good then i will make another breeding based off what that dogs brings to the table and what is behind that dog.

i understand that breeders have an end in mind. i still stand by my statement that if both dogs are good dogs and breeding worthy dogs why cull a whole litter just cause you didn't plan it or it doesn't align with what you want to breed. i guess i want good dogs, and good dogs aren't always a planned breeding. rocking p it kind of confuses me when you say a breeder has in his mind what he is wanting to get out of a breeding, then you say some of you don't care and will take anything that might run a pig. aren't we trying to breed dogs that run pigs? i truly hope that you don't take this as a pot shot or me being a smartbutt, i just need a little explanation. because i know if i make a breeding i'm trying to breed dogs that will run a pig and stop it. if two dogs that are good at doing that and come from dogs that are good at doing that, why would i cull a whole litter of pups that might do what i want them to do?

[Circle C]

Derick,

The short answer is that I have no intentions of "breeding" hog dogs...if I have a litter, it is going to be for a replacement only. Not keeping many dogs as it is, and once I have the right pup out of her, I will not need to use her again. You know the dogs I am talking about and between me and a couple hunting buds we have the family of dogs to work with for several generations.  I am not needing replacements often, so I would spay her, hunt the heck out of her, and work with her offspring to find a suitable mate down the road if and when a replacement might be needed.

I should also clarify that I am only talking about hog dogs here. If I found a great nick with the aussies then I would try to reproduce that litter. With the aussies a breeder has much more control of the litter and their ability to have registered offspring. A breeder can dictate that only dogs who are both trial and conformation champions be allowed to reproduce registered offspring. Mandi and I have a goal set with the aussies that has kept us from breeding them for almost two years and not intending to breed any for another year or two. That's a four year break from breeding in order to test our current dogs. How many people you reckon do that with the average hog dog?

[dub]

Anybody that brings a gyp in heat hunting is not someone I would hunt with! There aint no doggie child support but when it is time to hunt it is time to hunt.

[Scott]

Chris, I think there are hunters that take their time when choosing their breedings....18 months to 3 years between breedings unless they get in a bind. I personally think a big factor in breeding woods dogs (strike or catch) is not knowing how long they are gonna be on this earth. That could be a reason for breeding more frequently...

But as you touched on, the average certainly won't wait that long....

[BOSS HOGG]

I think the pups should atleast be givin a chance to see what they can do,i mean a dog is a dog and ya never know might turn out to be something. And i think we all have the same goal in mind whether we are a Breeder or not and thats to catch pigs. and as far as spading a good gyp after Breeding her, i would think you would want to get more of her out there if shes good, we talk about the world being over populated with trash dogs, so would make sense to get better ones out there correct? jmo

[BarrNinja]

I sure have enjoyed reading the different opinions on this thread.   Also nice to see a somewhat controversial subject remain civil

There goes the neighborhood!


duece24,

I have seen it a few times and I doubt Rockin P is talking about folks he runs with. Even with planned crosses I have seen the owners blame the insufficiencies of the pups on the others dog. It can get vicious with some folks in the dog world and it has been that way for a heck of a long time.  Just because folks have seen it and even been around it doesn’t mean they have participated in it or been a part of it.
I am glad that you and your friends are so agreeable when it comes to dogs. But it isn’t always that way among other folks right or wrong. I hear about dogs getting stolen all the time but I don’t associate with dog thieves. Same difference.

Folks who have been breeding good dogs have figured out how to engineer the dang things. It’s easy for me to see why they wouldn’t have time for an accidental/unplanned breeding and I sure as heck won’t knock them for it.
Culls can multiply on you real fast when you hold out on luck!