Breeding Question

[djhogdogger]

 Okay, here goes. Our best three dogs are a brother and sister red bmc and a brindle bmc male. The red bmc's have great noses, lots of bottom and are long range but pretty rough. The brindle bmc male is about the same except that he is old style and bays loose.  So, we bred the red bmc female to the brindle male hoping to get nose, bottom, range and loose baying pups.
   Now, my question is...can we breed the offspring of these two back to the red bmc male which would be niece to uncle (saying it, just sounds icky)?  In the dog world, is that line breeding or inbreeding?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

It is a form of line breeding.  It is a common pratice.  If the dogs are sound, it should work well for you.

[djhogdogger]

 Thanks for the info. I know that the first breeding is pretty much a crap shoot but if these pups turn out like i want them to, i would like to start my own line of dogs and keep the blood line for myself.    My female is due any day now, wish me luck.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

You have been wished some luck.  Keep us posted with plenty of pics.

[Crib]

Okay, here goes. Our best three dogs are a brother and sister red bmc and a brindle bmc male. The red bmc's have great noses, lots of bottom and are long range but pretty rough. The brindle bmc male is about the same except that he is old style and bays loose.  So, we bred the red bmc female to the brindle male hoping to get nose, bottom, range and loose baying pups.
   Now, my question is...can we breed the offspring of these two back to the red bmc male which would be niece to uncle (saying it, just sounds icky)?  In the dog world, is that line breeding or inbreeding?

I'd use the pedigree's of the dogs to trace the lineage. Depends on if the brindle male is related to the red sibling pair (bro and sis) you have. If the brindle male is NOT related to the siblings then that particular breeding is an outcross. you should get "hybrid" vigor in the pups even tho its the same breed. When you breed a pup back to the red BMC male that will be a line breeding b/c you crossed back into a relative.

If the Brindle male IS related to the other two you would be either linebreeding or inbreeding depending on how closely related the male is. Obviously then the resulting pups are more closely bred and it would be inbreeding if that pup goes back to the red male in this case.

Both are good plans IMO. Key to inbreeding is you have to get rid of any dogs showing the bad traits otherwise you will be locking those traits into your dogs.

Let me know if that makes sense

[catchrcall]

Question:  If you are wanting looser baying dogs, couldn't you take the offspring back to the brindle father, trying to reproduce the looser baying traits ?  Wouldn't breeding the offspring back to the red male be more likely to produce the same rough dogs you stared out with? 

[djhogdogger]

 Crib, the brindle male is no relation to the red bmc's and yes what you said makes sense.

 Catcherall, you bring up a good point. I am trying to avoid breeding offsping to parent. We will just have to wait and see i guess. Anything is possible.

[Circle C]

I am trying to avoid breeding offsping to parent.

I thought that was common place around Dayton

[djhogdogger]

I am trying to avoid breeding offsping to parent.

I thought that was common place around Dayton

  Im sure that is lower Dayton. LOL Stay out of the river bottoms after dark!!!!!!

[catchdog7469]

The uncle to niece is a safe cross....In my own experience aunt to nephew doesnt work so well. why i can tell you. I also have a friend of the family who has maintained the same blood line for over 40 years and he has had the same results. The offspring from the uncle/niece cross should be able to go back under the grandpa(brindle dog). The I would out cross before going back.

[djhogdogger]

 Thanks Catchdog, i was wondering what was after niece to uncle.

[djhogdogger]

  YEA!!! Sweet Pea had her pups today! 5 males and 5 females. 5 brindle, 3 yellow blackmouth, and two brown and white pups.

[Reuben]

 The red curs are rough and the brindle cur bays loose but all other traits are basicly the same except for color. You also said that you are hoping to get dogs that bay loose but to keep all the other desirable traits.

I would keep all the female pups and pick the ones with the loose baying trait that look and hunt right and then breed them back to the brindle male. I would then find a pup from a different dam that is sired by the brindle male and breed that pup to the 3/4 brindle pups.

[Miller Lite]

I am trying to avoid breeding offsping to parent.

I thought that was common place around Dayton

LOL THATS FUNNY RIGHT THERE

[djhogdogger]

 Well this thread was started back in 2010. The pups that we kept from this breeding turned out the way we wanted them too.

 Now its time for phase two of my breeding project.    We lost the dad to this litter last year. Im so thankful that I got a litter from him before we lost him.

 I bred one of the pups (Penny) back to her uncle (Red). The pups should be here in a couple of weeks. I cant wait. Red is now pushing 6 years and Im so glad I finally got a litter out of him before something were to happen to him. I don't take raising a litter lightly so I dont do it very often.

 Im very excited about this upcoming litter. I hope that Penny can handle big headed pups out of Red for her first litter. She will be three in July and this is her very first litter.


Should be some gritty, long range, good nose, with no quit pups!

 

[TexasHogDogs]

Okay, here goes. Our best three dogs are a brother and sister red bmc and a brindle bmc male.

?  Are all three of these full bros and sisters ?

[TexasHogDogs]

The reason I ask because if you made the Bro x Sister breeding and then come back to a daughter out of that back to one of the parents silbings.  That is inbreeding and some heavy heavy heavy inbreeding .  The first would have been a inbred liter off the bro x sister and then if you go back to a another silbing of the parents to their daughter you might run into some big trouble .

If you took a pup off the bro x sister breeding and now bred it back to a dog that is lightly related are no relations you should be ok but if they are all three liter mates and you done this on this liter coming up you may see some trouble .

[justincorbell]

 Well this thread was started back in 2010. The pups that we kept from this breeding turned out the way we wanted them too.

 Now its time for phase two of my breeding project.    We lost the dad to this litter last year. Im so thankful that I got a litter from him before we lost him.

 I bred one of the pups (Penny) back to her uncle (Red). The pups should be here in a couple of weeks. I cant wait. Red is now pushing 6 years and Im so glad I finally got a litter out of him before something were to happen to him. I don't take raising a litter lightly so I dont do it very often.

 Im very excited about this upcoming litter. I hope that Penny can handle big headed pups out of Red for her first litter. She will be three in July and this is her very first litter.


Should be some gritty, long range, good nose, with no quit pups!

 

If ya'll have an extra please don't forget about your long lost huntin buddies to the east! ..........I wouldn't care if them pups come out purple with pink polka dots, I know they'll hunt!!!

[djhogdogger]

Okay, here goes. Our best three dogs are a brother and sister red bmc and a brindle bmc male.

?  Are all three of these full bros and sisters ?

Sorry, when I typed that, it came out wrong. The red bmc's are full brother and sister. The brindle is of no relation.

[djhogdogger]

 Thanks Justin.  You know that I won't forget you. But you may have to wait until they are half grown.