Shooting a dog thief?

[catchrcall]

For the guy stealing on my lease, I probably wouldn't have to shoot him.  i could just shoot his truck and my dogs would scatter like roaches when the light comes on.  Ever since a dove hunter peppered my kennels last season they are gunshy as heck.  But seriously, if he's anywhere near that cab, or it's dark and I can't clearly see what he's got or what he's doing then he had better get real compliant real quick.  guys standing by cars not listening and me not knowing what's in there makes my agent orange act up. 

For the guy stealing from my kennels, I'll tell him this.  I have seven dogs.  Six are friendly, one is extremely touchy about strangers in his kennel, and it's not a warning type of dog.  I know which one it is.  You may figure it out if you choose.  i will come down and pick up what's left at my leisure.  I would say that here I have viable concern for mine and my family's safety, and if that dog don't have hold of the thief, he's gonna get shot. 

[james.frankovich]

then you go to jail

LMFAO!!!

[rdjustham]

Im not from texas and have never been there, but FL was a castle state util recently.  What that meant at the time is you did not have to retreat from your home when force was used against you.  Now if your in a parking lot and in fear you can use force to protect yourself and others.  In Fl This still DOES NOT mean you can use deadly force to protect property.  As it relates to the Dog question a Police K-9 handler can NOT use deadly force to protect his K-9 partner.

[aladatrot]

I need to find the case that supports it (recently decided court case in Texas), but a dog was not only found to be a person's property, but also to have intrinsic value.

Last year, I had a lengthy conversation with my State Senator about this very subject. I walked away from the conversation with the understanding that his interpretation of the law allows for the use of deadly force anytime you feel that your life or safety is in danger. The illustration used was that if someone is in my barn taking something, I walked out onto my back deck, and he turned to face me at which time I thought I saw a weapon, I am within my rights to shoot. His rationale was that when the perp turned toward me, I thought he had a weapon, and could have been about to shoot me. I was defending my person and my home.

 The last time I thought I had an intruder I went out in pursuit with an unloaded bb gun. I still maintain that the first time I ever shoot my revolver will be the day I find out what it's like to shoot a person. If I ever have the occasion or desire to shoot it, then my life must be in danger and I will shoot to kill. I keep it in the truck within easy reach, but I have a personal dislike of hand guns. I hope I never have to use it.

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[cantexduck]

 I will not take a life to stop someone from stealing one of my dogs. Not worth it in my mind. But I couldnt shoot an un armed person if they were taking off with my dog. Couldnt shoot someone for breaking into my truck. If the person is tring to come into my home, then we will have gun shots.

[Miller Lite]

I will not take a life to stop someone from stealing one of my dogs. Not worth it in my mind. But I couldnt shoot an un armed person if they were taking off with my dog. Couldnt shoot someone for breaking into my truck. If the person is tring to come into my home, then we will have gun shots.

Lol You wasn't raised in south east texas haha damn near every gate in my  neighborhood has the "trespassers will be shot surviours will be shot again" and we dont dial 911 we reload our 12 gauge i live in a pretty decent neighborhood so the theifs and meth heads from across the tracks come to our neighborhood and steal out stuff hell i was changeing my bearings on my truck left my tires off over night in my own yard come home the punks stole two rims and tires a fishin pole a chain saw and a pair of lacross rubber boots ... anyone messes around in my yard i gotta 2 3/4 slug that says they WILL lose a leg if they are lucky

[cantexduck]

Groves, Texas. Yeah that isnt SE Texas.
    A fishing pole,rim or even a truck isnt worth a human life in my eyes no matter if it a meth head or not. Drugs make people do bad things.

[djhogdogger]

 Im not sure what i would do until the situation arises. I like to think that i would try to hold the person at gunpoint until the law arrived or maybe shoot their vehicle if they tried to leave. But I wouldn't shoot someone unless I felt that my life or the life of a family member was in danger. Because i would weigh it out in my head...is it worth spending the rest of my life in prison. Because depending on the judge and jury and what attourney you can afford, there can be many different outcomes. There are no deffinates in law.

[Miller Lite]

Groves, Texas. Yeah that isnt SE Texas.
    A fishing pole,rim or even a truck isnt worth a human life in my eyes no matter if it a meth head or not. Drugs make people do bad things.

We've had stuff stole out of our yard 6 times since we moved here since 97  .... we dont tolarate a theif ... your right drugs make people do bad things but if they are stupid enough to go in a marked yard with tresspassing signs all over it .. they are dumb enough to get shot they came on my front porch to steal my chain saw and everything  they are very lucky just two of my rims and tires cost 1500 bucks a fishin pole was about 50 a chain saw was about 150 and my damn rubber boots were about 30 lol add that up and tell me you wouldn't blow a foot off a crackhead toatin  your stuff off

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

If you have been there since 97 and know you have aproblem with that kind of thing,Why in the world would you leave things like that just laying around for someone to see and pick up?

[Miller Lite]

my house is 3 acres off the road and surrounded by woods  i shouldn't have to worry about some punk toatin my stuff off where i come from if it isn't yours dont touch it and they had to come looking for my stuff its not like it was in plain sight for the whole world to see considering you can sit on my porch and can't see anyone on it from the road  they stumbled across a jackpot  and took it and i got burned thats why everyone in my neighborhood has come together  this year and watches each others stuff hell i had a guy a mile down the road from me have his four wheeler stolen out of his garage with the door shut punks throw a brick through the window an opened the door and loaded his stuff up found the four wheeler about 5 miles away they rode the piss out of it and cut all the wires it was a brand new honda rancher thank god for insurance lol

[warrent423]

I consider my dogs to be my property, regardless of what any law may say.
You can steal anything you want, from anybody you want, just don't let me catch you stealin from me. Back home in Florida, dog thieves are drug from their vehicles, beat beyond recognition, and left for dead. If he is stupid enough to point a weapon, he is fired upon with the intent to kill.

[Miller Lite]

Just so yall know i did not mean and disrespect  its just how i was raised i supposed i was raised by veterans so i guess i kinda think like them everyone has there own point of view and im not sayin i'd kill them but you best belive they may walk up here but they will be limpin off lol

[Miller Lite]

I consider my dogs to be my property, regardless of what any law may say.
You can steal anything you want, from anybody you want, just don't let me catch you stealin from me. Back home in Florida, dog thieves are drug from their vehicles, beat beyond recognition, and left for dead. If he is stupid enough to point a weapon, he is fired upon with the intent to kill.

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[grunterhunter8]

Chris, yes your dogs are considered property. If this senario is at night time, you can use deadly force. If it is day time, I don't think you would be justified in using deadly force. I was taught (this is directly from my notes) that in Texas a person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means. Also, a person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.) I believe your scenario describes Theft and deadly force is only justifiable if said Theft occurs at nighttime. Now if they try to steal your dogs from kennels on your property, this might be considered Burglary, in which case you are able to use deadly force day or night. Hope this helps.

[Circle C]

Grunterhunter8,

    Thanks,   That is the type of info I was looking for.   

[BigAinaBuilt]

Shoot low! 

[gottagettem]

if i raised the dog then its my property... and hes a dead man....i .do repos.....and talk to cops alot... they always say that if u shoot someone... u better have a good story to go with it.... and that is the only story to listen to...the other person... cant speak a word....and as long as u can prove its ur property... then the dead person WAS in the wrong.... but in the woods... they are going to have to find the body first....wink wink.....there is so much land in the country.... just know what u are doing... when u do it..... but a dog to me is like a kid.... i have to protect them and watch out for them to........one shoot one kill... closed casket for their family.. unless they want to see the hole in is face....

[Miller Lite]

if i raised the dog then its my property... and hes a dead man....i .do repos.....and talk to cops alot... they always say that if u shoot someone... u better have a good story to go with it.... and that is the only story to listen to...the other person... cant speak a word....and as long as u can prove its ur property... then the dead person WAS in the wrong.... but in the woods... they are going to have to find the body first....wink wink.....there is so much land in the country.... just know what u are doing... when u do it..... but a dog to me is like a kid.... i have to protect them and watch out for them to........one shoot one kill... closed casket for their family.. unless they want to see the hole in is face....

hehehehe great minds think alike but i'd still rather blow a foot off so they have to live with the fact that they tryed to steal like in india an stuff like that you steal you lose a hand you steal again we'll hang your a** capital punishment is not wrong in my eyes if you mess up enough screw sending them to prison then in the end your still paying for that person

[MachinesOldLady]

If you're going to shoot someone and use the castle doctrine you'd better be sure to have good enough legal representation to prove your case. The guy that shot the thieves that were robbing his neighbor had a huge fiscal drain. You can actually pay yearly for an "insurance" type policy that helps you out in any firearms case, but outside of that you'd better be ready to pay alot in legal fees to prove you were within your rights to shoot and kill a person (Edit:over property alone).

At least that's what we were told in our concealed carry class.

I can replace a lawn mower, but I can't replace one of my dogs.

I don't think you could legally shoot someone stealing one of your dogs unless it was on your property or out of your car. That doesn't mean you couldn't prosecute them successfully for stealing your dog, only that deadly force is not legally permissible in those cases other than what's covered by the castle doctrine.

That said, aim for the mo-fo's car.