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T-Bob Parker
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« on: August 07, 2010, 02:20:11 pm »

Im currently working with 3 pups on very tightly controlled canned hunts and have formed a hypothesis, what do you all think?
dog#1 cur/pit- black brindle with white stripe on face and what i would call gritty for a pup
dog #2 cur/heeler- mostly black and blue super fast and real chatty. works pretty close but not gritty
Dog #3 yellow bmc - not gritty at all, really chatty, works back end bout 10 foot back

when the three of these pups are working together at night dog #1 gets all the attention becuase hes usualy grabbin ear or chewin but if i take him out of the mix the yellow dog gets picked on all the stinking time.

do you think maybe a hog knows which dog is more scared and uses him as an escape hole?

do you think its unfair to that pup that i run nothing but dark dogs and it makes him the easy target ?

if my theory is correct i will kennell him till fall and use him in the day time, so you BMC guys, do your yella dogs get more injuries on night hunts? or am i thinking to much into it
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 07:07:36 pm »

i would say it was because the yellow dog is stayin back and not makin him pay attention.the hog sees this as his way out. Huh?
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 07:15:22 pm »

Don't know about at night, but in the daylight the color does matter. I hunt with guys that have mostly Plotts which are brindled and fairly dark in color. My white cur/fiest cross female catches hell by being the stand out dog. I've watched it happen time and again.....and she's not all that aggressive either, but the hogs single her out time after time and it's got to be because she's the easiest to pinpoint.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 07:25:27 pm »

i would say it was because the yellow dog is stayin back and not makin him pay attention.the hog sees this as his way out. Huh?

Weakest link. I agree. Same goes for kids on the schoolyard. Even kids know who they can get away from.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 08:05:18 pm »

do you think maybe a hog knows which dog is more scared and uses him as an escape hole?

Yup! I walked up to a bay and a puppy backed up and looked me. The boar charged him within seconds. The color does play in too. What would you do to out of something? you push until something gives and then run as fast as you can! So if it is weaker it will get pushed more. If it stands out it will get pushed more. Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2010, 10:19:22 pm »

I have two yellow dogs that bay hogs regularly at night, they are primarly hunted with 2 other dark dogs regularly, one of which is solid black dog and my two curs rarely get cut. I think it has everything to do with style, teamwork, luck, and a few other factors but defiantly not color. In fact our black dog gets cut ten times more regularly than the others. My .02 is that if color was a factor you would consistantly have cut up yellow dogs vs scar free dark dogs and thats just not the case on a pack to pack basis.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2010, 10:35:45 pm »

i think it has alot to do with experience and style.  A dog thats sure of its self and gets in the mix like dog one has a better chance than a dog that gives alot of room.. My old yellow dog stayed in their face and kept them spinning hardly got cut down in the later years but it took experience to teach her how to keep them there without getting cut..
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2010, 10:51:18 pm »

i think it has alot to do with experience and style.  A dog thats sure of its self and gets in the mix like dog one has a better chance than a dog that gives alot of room.. My old yellow dog stayed in their face and kept them spinning hardly got cut down in the later years but it took experience to teach her how to keep them there without getting cut..
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2010, 10:54:51 pm »

  I hunt all yellow dogs. That hog is keying on your weakest link.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2010, 11:17:13 pm »

Alright cool I hear you, but let me rephrase.  zebras keep slightly safer by blending into each other, so by that rational if my grown dogs are all dark and all the pups are dark/ brindled will this bright yellow dog always catch a pigs eye?  I'm on the fence about neutering him and giving him away. Just thinking if color is the problem I can adjust my style.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2010, 08:59:55 am »

   You might want to keep your yellow one. I know lots of hunters cross the pit into their bay dogs, heelers  will be "catchy" like the pit cross. Everytime I do this my straight curs suffer. They're the ones that get cut. But eventually all my crosses get killed. Guess there are lots of different ideas and oppinions on breeds, but I've never noticed color being a problem at night or day time.  I have had one of those dogs that just stood back and bayed at a distance. It was like a bulls eye for the hogs. As time went on she got smarter, one of my best now with lots of scars to go with her. Good luck, give the yellow one a chance, and let us know how it turns out.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2010, 03:46:35 pm »

I heard bears will go for the dog that stands out with its color. The only light dog or the only dark dog or the only one with a spot. Zebras are the prey not the predator. That is the difference. The dog is the predator and the hog is the prey. But the hog fights back. The hog does not care about anything but getting away because it is the prey. The dogs are not trying to hide but if they are they are the weak one. It is understanding the who is the predator and who is the prey. They dog must make it clear it is the predator or it will become the prey! Just that simple. If you were in a bar and just wanted to get out would you start with the the guy with a light shirt, a dark shirt, or the guy you think you can run over and get out the door? It is all about the size of the fight in the dog.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2010, 04:02:46 pm »

If you have access to a pen id try putting your yella dog on there with smaler hogs and gritty dogs, see if you cant build its confidence and then see what happens..
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2010, 05:17:44 pm »

sounds to me your tryin to run to different types of dogs one gritty one not which is causing the hog to turn and run where he got the most room also if its the same hog he will remember how to escape jmo
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2010, 07:37:48 pm »

yeah he definitely has a different style than any of the others and as Willie would say, "he ain't wrong he's just different " .  I would like to have at least one loose dog, and he'll either be the one or he wont, time will tell. I think Dub really put my mind at ease about the color situation, I know my question may seem silly to some and it prolly is but all these handsome yellow curs on this forum got me hankering for one and I don't like the thought of him getting whooped by racist pigs  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2010, 07:40:14 pm »

Just out of curiosity.  You said number one gets wooped cause its usually caught, but if he aint there woopin number 3 gets it.. have you tried turning another dog with a style like the yella one out with it?  id try turning out another loose dog with your yella and see what happens
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2010, 06:31:13 am »

do you think maybe a hog knows which dog is more scared and uses him as an escape hole?

Yup! I walked up to a bay and a puppy backed up and looked me. The boar charged him within seconds. The color does play in too. What would you do to out of something? you push until something gives and then run as fast as you can! So if it is weaker it will get pushed more. If it stands out it will get pushed more. Just my 2 cents.


IMO  hogs are oppurtunistic, the large boars are noticed more because they are the ones who cause the severe damage. If the bay dog looks away and the hog feels like he can get to him he will because that will be one less dog to deal with or he will give the dog one good hit on his way out. If the dog is in a tight place and the hog sees the oppurtunity he will make a run at him.

IMO, there are boar hogs out there that hate dogs so much that they will set themselves up to kill/injure dogs rather than run away. I have seen this happen several times. These are hogs that have been dogged before.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2010, 06:58:40 am »

You might want to research an old post about vest for catchdogs.  I mentioned in that thread that all my vest are dark green opposed to orange or another bright color.  My reasoning behind that was I wanted my catchdog to have every advantage of sneeking in there undetected so he has the best chance at a clean catch.  There were several reponses about color not making a difference and that hogs may not be able to see color all that well.  I don't know if any of that is based on fact but it does fall into the same color discussion.

I personally think the hog is finding the weakest link and exploiting it.

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