catch dogs and culling...

[TX HOG]

"Catch dogs don’t bay…Period." thats true. but what about when the hog breaks the dogs grip....

i dont keep cur dogs because they want to find hogs, i keep em because they do find hogs
same idea goes for catch dogs.

now i dont expect a dog to hold on when he is overheated but i want a dog that can handle the heat well.

[Scott]

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.      Opinions please....

I already answered...

If it ever backs up on, or quits a hog...it's a cull.

[BarrNinja]

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.      Opinions please....

The details are sketchy but it sound like he would "not" be a cull for me!!! I have a tendency to give a smart dog too much credit though.    The heat can make a dog do some strange things also!

[Imayellafella]

Saw a catchdog get his guts strung out an held on.   Held on till he took his last breath      Thats a catch dog

[3-Bdogs]

catch dogs are the muscle of the team and should never show a once of quit that being said sometimes ppl mess up causin their dogs to mess up seen it 100x over also seen the same ppl who were the cause of the mess up to begin with cull dogs for human error and to me that's not right... i will cull a catch dog for the followin lettin go for any reason which would be his fault, barkin , slow , wild catch , there again everyone has a different set of eyes which see things different and there is a exception to every rule

[tnhillbilly]

to me a catchdog that will let go is a dangerous thing. culled one sat, for lettin go and regrippin. bought got my buddy eat up, and cause the bays dogs to get tore up too.  i wont feed one that bays, backs up, and cant stand one that keeps mouthin, and re grippin.  mine better catch and hold until broke off period.  still lookin.

[make-em-squeel]

thanks for the opinions gentleman

[Reuben]

this isnt anything that has actually happened. im just curious

ok i somewhat take it back. the dog in my avatar has had 2 hogs get away from him.

first time. duke bayed a stinkin boar in some crawlin on hands and knees thick stuff. i cut the cd loose he went in, i heard lots of rustlin around and the hog got away before i got there. i never saw the hog but smelled him. duke and cd took off. i cut him off 1/2 mile away and he had 2 holes in a new kevlar vest.

second time. duke had a 150lb hog caught for a good while 200yards off the road. sent in cd. it was thick as the stuff the first hog got away in. i was on my belly and got my hand 6 inches from the back hoof and the hog started moving and didnt stop. never saw that hog again.

i think his flaw is that he just needs a stronger jaw. or hes a wimp and lets go when he gets poked in the eye. the second time he had a swole up eye for a week.

this cd is pit/cur. he is now hunted like the curs except with a vest. hes gonna have to prove himself on a lot more hogs before he will be the only cd again.  



what are some opinions on hogs getting away from a cd once its caught?

You are taking a gamble when you invest in an unproven 1/2 cur 1/2 pit. Chances are you are buying a watered down  catch dog. Also this type of dog has a higher probablity of not having the jaw power of a bulldog.

All the questions you asked the answer IMO is to cull. A good catch dog will crawl back to the hog and latch on if need be. He/she is game to the end.

[NThoghunter]

This post was a no brainer for me at first!  If a cd quits by choice of his own or bays he is a cull IMO.  But, I do believe some cd's take longer to mature.  My 2 cd's started completely different.  My pit pedro caught the first hog he ever saw and will stay caught until his last breath.  But my AB chief took until he was almost 2 yrs old to mature into a finshed cd.  he can hold as good or better than pedro now, but most times he does not have to be broke off.  Just a spat on the nose usually gets him loose.  With that said, if either of my cd's ever let go before I want them to it will be their last time.

[Reuben]

This post was a no brainer for me at first!  If a cd quits by choice of his own or bays he is a cull IMO.  But, I do believe some cd's take longer to mature.  My 2 cd's started completely different.  My pit pedro caught the first hog he ever saw and will stay caught until his last breath.  But my AB chief took until he was almost 2 yrs old to mature into a finshed cd.  he can hold as good or better than pedro now, but most times he does not have to be broke off.  Just a spat on the nose usually gets him loose.  With that said, if either of my cd's ever let go before I want them to it will be their last time.

Most larger type dogs mature slower and sometimes do not start as early as the smaller type dogs.

[TX HOG]

this isnt anything that has actually happened. im just curious

ok i somewhat take it back. the dog in my avatar has had 2 hogs get away from him.

first time. duke bayed a stinkin boar in some crawlin on hands and knees thick stuff. i cut the cd loose he went in, i heard lots of rustlin around and the hog got away before i got there. i never saw the hog but smelled him. duke and cd took off. i cut him off 1/2 mile away and he had 2 holes in a new kevlar vest.

second time. duke had a 150lb hog caught for a good while 200yards off the road. sent in cd. it was thick as the stuff the first hog got away in. i was on my belly and got my hand 6 inches from the back hoof and the hog started moving and didnt stop. never saw that hog again.

i think his flaw is that he just needs a stronger jaw. or hes a wimp and lets go when he gets poked in the eye. the second time he had a swole up eye for a week.

this cd is pit/cur. he is now hunted like the curs except with a vest. hes gonna have to prove himself on a lot more hogs before he will be the only cd again. 



what are some opinions on hogs getting away from a cd once its caught?

You are taking a gamble when you invest in an unproven 1/2 cur 1/2 pit. Chances are you are buying a watered down  catch dog. Also this type of dog has a higher probablity of not having the jaw power of a bulldog.

All the questions you asked the answer IMO is to cull. A good catch dog will crawl back to the hog and latch on if need be. He/she is game to the end.

this isnt a dog i bought. ive had him from a pup. i dont buy catch dogs. if i do i dont buy them from people that hunt hogs. i get on craigslist or go to animal control. this dog isnt a cull to me because he hunts his butt off and can find a hog. he has never intentionally let go of a hog and when it got away he went after it. he hasnt barked at a hog since he was 5 months old.

[UNDERDOG]

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.      Opinions please....

Not sure why you stated the above scenario as it was already discussed before with the same answers and the same blind eye turned.


Is this dog you are talking bout the one whos mom bayed like a champ on the video??

[catchdog7469]

Would you want to be in a gun fight with a gun that was jammed? A Catch dog gets a hold and keeps it until he draws his last breath or i remove him end of story anything other than that is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

[UNDERDOG]

other that that he is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

x2

[BarrNinja]

Would you want to be in a gun fight with a gun that was jammed? A Catch dog gets a hold and keeps it until he draws his last breath or i remove him end of story other that that he is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

I just figured it out what "I" want in a catch dog! A real gritty cur that dont hunt or bay! Thanks!

[JUG]

when do you cull a catch dog? do you cull if it bays one of the biggest baddest hogs you have seen? yes


bays once its hurt? yes, if it is has the strength to bay and bark, then he better be using that strength to try to catch the hog, not barking.

if a hog gets away from it once its caught?....nope, I think any catch dog can get thrown, it's what the dog does after he has been thrown that matters to me.

  now i dont expect anyone to get rid of their best cd until it has a replacement so lets say it bays a big nasty one night in some thick stuff after getting cut and thrown in the air... whats your call?cull


Pretty black and white for me.  That said, I have a catch dog that catches wild, mostly on the snout, and many would cull him for that. I don't mind where he catches as long as he is caught, or attempting to catch when I get there.  The day that dog EVER barks at a hog, is the last time he will ever see a hog.

[make-em-squeel]

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.      Opinions please....

Not sure why you stated the above scenario as it was already discussed before with the same answers and the same blind eye turned.


Is this dog you are talking bout the one whos mom bayed like a champ on the video??

No underdog this is not the same dog. I believe your referring to a friend of mines ab or a cross there of. The dog i am referring to is completely different and has no videos or bay to him. I must have not read the other post...

[sportsman]

This post was a no brainer for me at first!  If a cd quits by choice of his own or bays he is a cull IMO.  But, I do believe some cd's take longer to mature.  My 2 cd's started completely different.  My pit pedro caught the first hog he ever saw and will stay caught until his last breath.  But my AB chief took until he was almost 2 yrs old to mature into a finshed cd.  he can hold as good or better than pedro now, but most times he does not have to be broke off.  Just a spat on the nose usually gets him loose.  With that said, if either of my cd's ever let go before I want them to it will be their last time.

  x2, pits jaws wont get hard til theyre 18 months, I see folks livin by cliche and cullin good prospects too young because they are schooled and tested to young, thinkin if a pup wont catch it never will isnt right in my thinkin

[got2catchem]

x2, pits jaws wont get hard til theyre 18 months,

  I've never heard this one. If you don't mind, can you explain?

[sportsman]

both teeth and lower jaw bone are not yet developed