catch dogs and culling...

[catchdog7469]

Most bully breeds are not fully Developed Structuraly till 18 months n most will continue to fill out with mass around 2 years IME.....I personally dont start a catchdog until he is atleast 20 months for this reason.....

[hoghunterdfw]

hypothetically what would a "true catchdog" do.....

......if your 2 non-gritty no helping curs had a hog bayed in over 85+ degree weather and sent a catchdog to it. and it caught it solid on the ear and did not get cut. but you never went to the bay to stick the hog or help the catchdog out.

would he:

1. catch it and hold it until one or both of them died of exhaustion (after 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 24 hrs, 48 hrs).
2. eventually (after 2hrs, 8 hrs, 24 hrs, 48hrs....) realize that you aren't coming and let go and try to find you or the truck.

and if the answer is #1. is that the trait that everyone truely desires and places the most priority on when considering whether a catchdog is a "true catchdog" or not??

[chainrated]

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

[UNDERDOG]

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

Dang man....you took the words right off my fingers.   

[Scott]

and if the answer is #1. is that the trait that everyone truely desires and places the most priority on when considering whether a catchdog is a "true catchdog" or not??

Yes

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

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[sfboarbuster]

Saw a catchdog get his guts strung out an held on.   Held on till he took his last breath      Thats a catch dog

No that "was" a catch dog. That is now a dead dog that you have to find a replacement for

Would you want to be in a gun fight with a gun that was jammed? A Catch dog gets a hold and keeps it until he draws his last breath or i remove him end of story other that that he is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

I just figured it out what "I" want in a catch dog! A real gritty cur that dont hunt or bay! Thanks!

Ninja, that is exactly what I want in a catch dog, just a really gritty cur!!

[warrent423]

Saw a catchdog get his guts strung out an held on.   Held on till he took his last breath      Thats a catch dog

No that "was" a catch dog. That is now a dead dog that you have to find a replacement for

Would you want to be in a gun fight with a gun that was jammed? A Catch dog gets a hold and keeps it until he draws his last breath or i remove him end of story other that that he is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

I just figured it out what "I" want in a catch dog! A real gritty cur that dont hunt or bay! Thanks!

Ninja, that is exactly what I want in a catch dog, just a really gritty cur!!

Ain't nuthin like catchin hogs with a pair of "rough" curdogs.
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[got2catchem]

1. catch it and hold it until one or both of them died of exhaustion (after 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 24 hrs, 48 hrs).

and if the answer is #1. is that the trait that everyone truely desires and places the most priority on when considering whether a catchdog is a "true catchdog" or not??

Yes, but that demonstration of gameness shouldn't be said or taken lightly, most dogs will ultimately quit.

[Reuben]

A true catch dog will not quit as long as the hog is alive... A true catch dog will not quit, he/she will stay caught as long as it is physically able to do so regardless of cuts, punctures, thrashes, loss off blood or whatever. Having said that, by us knowing this, we should do all we can to get there as quickly as possible to assist... This is why the catch dog shouldn't be turned loose unless you know you can get there in a reasonable time frame.

[UNDERDOG]

A true catch dog will not quit as long as the hog is alive... A true catch dog will not quit, he/she will stay caught as long as it is physically able to do so regardless of cuts, punctures, thrashes, loss off blood or whatever. Having said that, by us knowing this, we should do all we can to get there as quickly as possible to assist... This is why the catch dog shouldn't be turned loose unless you know you can get there in a reasonable time frame.

Well said Ruben and I agree 100%  ....not sure why a man would put his dog in a situation that he could not get to him in under two hours or less......

[Mike]

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

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Coming off a hog from overheating and going under water are two things I will never fault a catch dog for. By overheating, I mean to the point where their body can't physically function anymore. I've been on that end of the deal many times, it's not fun. That's why I grit my teeth when I read about all these people that send their catch dogs in from a 1/2 mile out etc... and i've never seen a dog drown themselves. There is a breaking point.

[Mike]

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.      Opinions please....

I would never trust that dog again. What if you were on your hands and knees crawling through a thicket in the middle of the night and the dog decided it was time for a break? If the dog had over heated in the scenario you described, it wouldn't have gotten up and caught the hog when you arrived... you would have been carrying the dog out of the woods.

[make-em-squeel]

I would never trust that dog again. What if you were on your hands and knees crawling through a thicket in the middle of the night and the dog decided it was time for a break? If the dog had over heated in the scenario you described, it wouldn't have gotten up and caught the hog when you arrived... you would have been carrying the dog out of the woods.

Thanks mike i like all the info. and advice...The dog was wobbly legged but he was not carried out, we just took his vest off etc. His performance since has not given anything to fault but he wont be bred  It was a busted bay and we took over 45 min to get to him, he would have been stroked out if he didnt let go so i am glad he did in that instance, if it happened regularly he wouldnt be around i assume (not my dog), he has a big heart and i have legged plenty of bad hogs behind him since. Thanks again for the opinions i was curious to know what yall thought about one under H2O 

[sportsman]

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

agreed....if you are using a gamebred pitbull, your dog should be able to last longer than 45 min, weather and temp. permitting, i dont think you should hunt under extreme conditions though,  gamebred pit dog matches are known to have gone past the 4 hr mark, and this is against another gamedog, hogs are tuff too though, maybe an ear would come off, or the hog would go into shock, I hope no one has to find out this truth the hard way, but it will happen eventually unless youre careful.but even then, you never can tell

[Reuben]

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him.. 

agreed....if you are using a gamebred pitbull, your dog should be able to last longer than 45 min, weather and temp. permitting, i dont think you should hunt under extreme conditions though,  gamebred pit dog matches are known to have gone past the 4 hr mark, and this is against another gamedog, hogs are tuff too though, maybe an ear would come off, or the hog would go into shock, I hope no one has to find out this truth the hard way, but it will happen eventually unless youre careful.but even then, you never can tell

Just to add what you pointed out about game bred pits. They are culled hard on the stamina department and when they were fought they were in tip top condition and they were put on all kinds of supplements to stay in top working form.