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« on: September 05, 2010, 08:39:49 pm » |
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Ok, now I know this is going to be about a 5 page topic and get heated. But, I just have to ask because I don't understand. I was reading along on another thread talking about crossing a pit with a cur. While I want no part of a dog that's too rough to be a strike dog and might cur out on a big hog, that's beside the point. When reading this I see folks saying things like, "breed them, they'll be rough enough to shut down a runner" I see this ALL the time on here. I DON'T GET IT. First off, when those hogs that run a lot take off, I havent seen a whole lot of dogs that can hang with one in the brush to be able to "pull some hair", or "put some teeth on them". Those of you that hunt rough dogs, how do you know your dogs are shutting down the hog and he's not just stopping when he wants to? Are you catching every hog you start? Do they often stop them in the wide open? That would make sense if they did, because that would be the best chance they would have to run one down to make a hog spin and fight, right?
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2010, 08:49:27 pm » |
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The best time to stop a runner is before he makes the decision to run. If you have loose bay dogs and lead in your catch dog most experience runners will run either before you turn the cd loose or before he gets there. The idea with the rcd is to be with the bay dogs and catch when they find the hog. I run a rough crew and a loose baying crew it just demends I on what the hogs are doing.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2010, 08:50:46 pm » |
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this should be interesting ... my opinion on it is its just an opinion on what people prefer and what is catching them pigs i personally love all dogs that do their job i have ran both rough and back up dogs can't say one type caught more than the others but i will say this a good group of dogs that are smart and work TOGETHER that is the key jmo now i will say that a good group of CATCHING dogs not rough straight when one hits it the rest do the same seem to make shorter races but overall produce more hogs i would have to disagree
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 08:54:03 pm » |
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Well personally i think that our rough dogs shut them down because if its under 150lbs they grab it, and if its a big hog, it ain't runnin very far. Ever see a fat man in a marathon?
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 08:56:26 pm » |
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The best time to stop a runner is before he makes the decision to run. If you have loose bay dogs and lead in your catch dog most experience runners will run either before you turn the cd loose or before he gets there. The idea with the rcd is to be with the bay dogs and catch when they find the hog. I run a rough crew and a loose baying crew it just demends I on what the hogs are doing.
Well if they catch it before it runs then how do you know it was a runner in the first place? I consider a sure enough runner one that splits as soon as he hears or sees a dog. If they just catch him as soon as contact is made, thats not a rough dog, thats a catch dog IMO. |
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 08:57:50 pm » |
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Also, I am not asking about "RCD'S" I understand that concept, I am talking about "rough" bay dogs.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 08:58:44 pm » |
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You know my stance on this but I will always have loose dogs and see no reason to change. I think that the hogs are going to do what they want to do and the ones that want to fight or do not want to run are what we catch. If a hog REALLY wants to stretch out and run there isn't a dog alive that can "stop" them in my opinion.....
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 09:01:49 pm » |
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The way you know he is a runner is because he has burnt you before and made fouls out of you bay dogs.
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djhogdogger
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 09:02:19 pm » |
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The best time to stop a runner is before he makes the decision to run. If you have loose bay dogs and lead in your catch dog most experience runners will run either before you turn the cd loose or before he gets there. The idea with the rcd is to be with the bay dogs and catch when they find the hog. I run a rough crew and a loose baying crew it just demends I on what the hogs are doing.
Well if they catch it before it runs then how do you know it was a runner in the first place? I consider a sure enough runner one that splits as soon as he hears or sees a dog. If they just catch him as soon as contact is made, thats not a rough dog, thats a catch dog IMO. I don't consider my rough dogs to be catch dogs when they will bay one that is over 150 lbs. . its a rough bay dog. |
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 09:04:53 pm » |
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My thoughts exactly Matt, I was just wanting some input from the guys who run these type of dogs.
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2010, 09:06:41 pm » |
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The best time to stop a runner is before he makes the decision to run. If you have loose bay dogs and lead in your catch dog most experience runners will run either before you turn the cd loose or before he gets there. The idea with the rcd is to be with the bay dogs and catch when they find the hog. I run a rough crew and a loose baying crew it just demends I on what the hogs are doing.
Well if they catch it before it runs then how do you know it was a runner in the first place? I consider a sure enough runner one that splits as soon as he hears or sees a dog. If they just catch him as soon as contact is made, thats not a rough dog, thats a catch dog IMO. I don't consider my rough dogs to be catch dogs when they will bay one that is over 150 lbs. . its a rough bay dog. I mean catching any hog. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 09:09:11 pm » |
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Well we run both types of dogs, loose and rough...and we can tell if its a big hog or not before we ever see it just by listening to which dogs are baying and which ones aren't. It works well for us and we catch our share of hogs but we still get outrun sometimes. I don't think that anyone has a 100 percent catch rate.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 09:10:26 pm » |
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The best time to stop a runner is before he makes the decision to run. If you have loose bay dogs and lead in your catch dog most experience runners will run either before you turn the cd loose or before he gets there. The idea with the rcd is to be with the bay dogs and catch when they find the hog. I run a rough crew and a loose baying crew it just demends I on what the hogs are doing.
Well if they catch it before it runs then how do you know it was a runner in the first place? I consider a sure enough runner one that splits as soon as he hears or sees a dog. If they just catch him as soon as contact is made, thats not a rough dog, thats a catch dog IMO. I don't consider my rough dogs to be catch dogs when they will bay one that is over 150 lbs. . its a rough bay dog. I mean catching any hog. Then what is your definition of a rough bay dog? |
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 09:12:08 pm » |
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Ok, now I know this is going to be about a 5 page topic and get heated. But, I just have to ask because I don't understand. I was reading along on another thread talking about crossing a pit with a cur. While I want no part of a dog that's too rough to be a strike dog and might cur out on a big hog, that's beside the point. When reading this I see folks saying things like, "breed them, they'll be rough enough to shut down a runner" I see this ALL the time on here. I DON'T GET IT. First off, when those hogs that run a lot take off, I havent seen a whole lot of dogs that can hang with one in the brush to be able to "pull some hair", or "put some teeth on them". Those of you that hunt rough dogs, how do you know your dogs are shutting down the hog and he's not just stopping when he wants to? Are you catching every hog you start? Do they often stop them in the wide open? That would make sense if they did, because that would be the best chance they would have to run one down to make a hog spin and fight, right?
X2 I think your exactly on the money Micheal and I agree 100 percent. If its a sho nuff runner I personally havent seen a dog the " Stops The hog " if it is in the brush or thickets. Now a open fiels might be a different story. But in the woods either the hog decieds to stop or it doesnt. If the dog cant see the hog he sure ain't gonna put teeth on it. And on these runners over here , and probably most places, you better either have RCD and catch on first sight or a stay back and bay dog and let the catch dog do his job. Cause half a$$en it just makes em run. Cause as soon as a dog bumps these hogs if it aint caught its off to the races . . . . Just my opinion . . |
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Ladogos
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 09:13:25 pm » |
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You know my stance on this but I will always have loose dogs and see no reason to change. I think that the hogs are going to do what they want to do and the ones that want to fight or do not want to run are what we catch. If a hog REALLY wants to stretch out and run there isn't a dog alive that can "stop" them in my opinion.....
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2010, 09:14:00 pm » |
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I understand all that DJ. What I am asking, is when your rough dogs get on a big hog, and he breaks, how do you know that the rough dogs "shut him down" and it wasnt just the hog deciding he wanted to stop and fight. I just always see people saying this and i wonder how they know that is acxtually what is taking place when 99% of the time no one is there when the hog stops to see what made him stop.
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Txhoghunter
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2010, 09:18:23 pm » |
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Ok, now I know this is going to be about a 5 page topic and get heated. But, I just have to ask because I don't understand. I was reading along on another thread talking about crossing a pit with a cur. While I want no part of a dog that's too rough to be a strike dog and might cur out on a big hog, that's beside the point. When reading this I see folks saying things like, "breed them, they'll be rough enough to shut down a runner" I see this ALL the time on here. I DON'T GET IT. First off, when those hogs that run a lot take off, I havent seen a whole lot of dogs that can hang with one in the brush to be able to "pull some hair", or "put some teeth on them". Those of you that hunt rough dogs, how do you know your dogs are shutting down the hog and he's not just stopping when he wants to? Are you catching every hog you start? Do they often stop them in the wide open? That would make sense if they did, because that would be the best chance they would have to run one down to make a hog spin and fight, right?
Cause half a$$en it just makes em run. Cause as soon as a dog bumps these hogs if it aint caught its off to the races . . . . Just my opinion . . I think thats why a lot of hogs are called runners when they are really just average. Some dogs dont have enough bottom and drive to stay with a hog til the end, the hog gets away and is dismissed as a "runner" and the dogs are off the hook. But thats for another topic to stir the pot on another boring Sunday night  |
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djhogdogger
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2010, 09:19:03 pm » |
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I understand all that DJ. What I am asking, is when your rough dogs get on a big hog, and he breaks, how do you know that the rough dogs "shut him down" and it wasnt just the hog deciding he wanted to stop and fight. I just always see people saying this and i wonder how they know that is acxtually what is taking place when 99% of the time no one is there when the hog stops to see what made him stop.
Ok I gottcha. The answer to that is, if a man owns loose baying dogs he will tell you that his loose baying dogs shut the hog down. and if a man owns rough dogs he will tell you that his rough dogs shut the hog down. Nobody knows for sure, it just sounds good and everybody likes to brag on their dogs no matter what kind they are. LOL |
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 09:22:06 pm » |
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well if he runs he better not stop to bay or my pit x curs will shut it down for good and they never cur out my bmc's dont even cur out the thing is for the rcd to stop the hog before it breaks and runs . i have never had a lead in catch dog and dont want one a good dog dont need led in he will go with the strike dog and be there catching when you get there
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2010, 09:24:41 pm » |
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I understand all that DJ. What I am asking, is when your rough dogs get on a big hog, and he breaks, how do you know that the rough dogs "shut him down" and it wasnt just the hog deciding he wanted to stop and fight. I just always see people saying this and i wonder how they know that is acxtually what is taking place when 99% of the time no one is there when the hog stops to see what made him stop.
Ok I gottcha. The answer to that is, if a man owns loose baying dogs he will tell you that his loose baying dogs shut the hog down. and if a man owns rough dogs he will tell you that his rough dogs shut the hog down. Nobody knows for sure, it just sounds good and everybody likes to brag on their dogs no matter what kind they are. LOL I personally dont think hogs are shut down unless if it is in open woods or open fields. If its thickets then either the hog decides to stop or not and the dogs catch up to it or it keeps running and the dogs play out. |
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