Shut em down!

[ETHHunters]

You know my stance on this but I will always have loose dogs and see no reason to change.  I think that the hogs are going to do what they want to do and the ones that want to fight or do not want to run are what we catch.  If a hog REALLY wants to stretch out and run there isn't a dog alive that can "stop" them in my opinion.....

I agree with this statement. I would think where you hunt and terrain have alot to do with if a dog is the one doing the shutting down. Where I hunt if a hog wants to run there is not a dog on this earth that will catch him in a east texas thicket. The only way to bay them hogs is to have a dog with more bottom than the hog has.

[Txhoghunter]

 Roughdog, If he stops then they didnt "shut him down" is what I mean though. Youre missing what I am getting at.  I see the the quote "this dog will put some teeth on one to make it stop and fight" and others meaning the same thing, nearly daily on here.  If the hog stops on his own and your dogs catch it, thats a whole different deal, thats not shutting it down, thats just catching him.

[Txhoghunter]

COME ON DOWN ILL SHOW YA HOW WE DO IT I COUGHT OVER 300 HOGS LAST YEAR HOW ABOUT YOU

I didnt catch very many, maybe 5 or 6. Guess i need some rough dogs huh.

[Ladogos]

WELL WHEN YOU GOT A DOG THAT GRABS THEM NUTS WHEN HES ON THE RUN AND MAKES HIM SIT DOWN AND FIGHT THEN THE DOG STOPED THE HOG

Agreed ,  BUT if a dog cant catch up to a hog, in these tie vine thickets , then he cant put teeth on his nuts.   And its NOT about speed cause you can have a gray hound and he wount be able to catch up to a hog in these vines unless the hog stops .   If hes a sho nuff runner you have to have a dog with more bottom than the hog.  

[Wmwendler]

How many times do "rough" bay dogs cause a hog to run that otherwise would have stayed put?

In my opinion its more than some people want to admit.  Some times it takes 10 years for guys to see the've been in denial about this subject all allong.  Some will always swear by rough dogs no matter what.  Its easy to get sucked into the "rough" dog frame of mind when you hop on the internet as a bigginner and start reading things that should be taken with a grain of salt.   I've seen it time and time again. I've hunted with all kinds of dogs since I was a kid.  And I see the same thing in cow dogs as well.  Some rough dogs will make more livestock run, so they do more harm than good in those cases.

There are dogs that will be hard on a hog that runs and pretty much convince the hog its better for them to stand at bay than it is to run.  THAT is the ideal that rough dogs are based upon.  But its not just that simple.  The second part to that equation is backing off when the hog actually does stand at bay.  And thats were most "rough" dogs ive seen fall short.  They stay rough and the hog starts off running all over again.  Then you have that "rough dog" that will "catch anything under 200 lbs".  OK thats all fine and dandy but the first time I see that dog catch a 60lb shoat out of a group of hogs thats standing at bay will be the last time I care to hunt with that dog again.  Just my 2 cents.  

In my opinion it takes a well bred dog that comes from a livestock background and a good bit of luck to consistantly produce dogs that can pull off the "rough dog" thing and do it the right way.  There is a whole lot more to it than "just add a little of this and a little of that to put some gritt in there"  It may work for some people but it don't work for me.

Waylon

[Txhoghunter]

This is NOT a thread to bash rough dogs by any means, BTW. I am strictly wanting someone to explain this to me.

[roughdog]

well i hunt out my truck most of the time so i get to see the whole thing from start to finish alot of the time.most of the hogs we strike of the road are not over a couple hundred yards from the truck when cought so i know how my dogs hunt

[Txhoghunter]

you caught over 300 hogs within 200 yards of a road? Man you must have a lot of hogs where you're at and not much brush, Im jealous.

[Ladogos]

well i hunt out my truck most of the time so i get to see the whole thing from start to finish alot of the time.most of the hogs we strike of the road are not over a couple hundred yards from the truck when cought so i know how my dogs hunt

WOW that must be a nice way to be able to hunt.  I wish i had places like that . .   Over here where i hunt i have NEVER seen a hog in the fields. When they hear a car, truck, four wheeler, or dog they are running to the next county.  So I NEVER see a catch , NEVER . . .  

Roughdog you have an open invitation to come hunt with me.  

Micheal you and Kevin need to come on over and make a hunt also.  Yall been talking about it for a couple of years now. .

[roughdog]

im ready to show my dogs any time i have people come get me all the time becouse there loose bay dogs cant stop the hog they been after and want to see me catch the hog they cant catch i dont always get the hog but most of the time we do and i use a POT LICKER for a strike dog not no high dollar papered up bmc  to do it

[Txhoghunter]

im ready to show my dogs any time i have people come get me all the time becouse there loose bay dogs cant stop the hog they been after and want to see me catch the hog they cant catch i dont always get the hog but most of the time we do and i use a POT LICKER for a strike dog not no high dollar papered up bmc  to do it

Glad my BMCS were free and i dont have papers on them then   

[roughdog]

we got lots of hogs and plenty of places to hunt in this river bottom  but my dogs will wind hogs at 65 mph going down the road and i catch them where ever and when ever if you guys would stop huntting the same old spot you might catch more hogs

[Ladogos]

im ready to show my dogs any time i have people come get me all the time becouse there loose bay dogs cant stop the hog they been after and want to see me catch the hog they cant catch i dont always get the hog but most of the time we do and i use a POT LICKER for a strike dog not no high dollar papered up bmc  to do it

What part of the country do you live/hunt in ?  Im in North West Louisiana .  I wont come and get ya but you have a place to stay and keep your dogs and we will deffinately do some hunting  . .

[BigAinaBuilt]

Djhogdogger- The thing I hate about a pissing match is that it isn't a fair contest, Someone may have a head start!  
 
I run fast dogs because slow dogs suck adn I know my dogs stop hogs because I've seen them leave my side and 50 yards away hear the pig scream and exchange until the stand off when the rest of my dogs arrive.

[Txhoghunter]

we got lots of hogs and plenty of places to hunt in this river bottom  but my dogs will wind hogs at 65 mph going down the road and i catch them where ever and when ever if you guys would stop huntting the same old spot you might catch more hogs

Yeah i need more spots to hunt.

[roughdog]

im from marquez tx might have to take you up on that i aint got the best dogs but they are rough and they find and catch hogs  

[Wmwendler]

Michael........I'm not bashing rough dogs.    I have hunted with some good ones and I look forward to hunting with more in the future.  I have a crippled one sitting in the back yard right now.  I've seen him work hogs in the open, on the rare ocation that it occurs, and I'm am confident in saying he "shut them down".  I've also seen him bay hog that never ran and those hog just bayed up there was no shuttin down to it.  I've also seen him nut hogs that never did stop running, so like Matt said some just won't stop.  And there were many times when the woods were just to dang thing for him to do his job.  Now hes a yard dog and the only thing he shuts down is his food bowl.  My point was, they are not allways gods gift to hog hunting like some people think they are, and a good many that i've seen fall short becuase "rough" is all they are.

Waylon

Roughdog.......Where do you hunt?

[djhogdogger]

Djhogdogger- The thing I hate about a pissing match is that it isn't a fair contest, Someone may have a head start!  
 
I run fast dogs because slow dogs suck adn I know my dogs stop hogs because I've seen them leave my side and 50 yards away hear the pig scream and exchange until the stand off when the rest of my dogs arrive.

Yea BigA, we don't have the luxury of either or. We have loose dog, a rough dog, something inbetween, thick dog, skinny dog, fast dog, slow dog, yella dog and brindle dogs.  But we are still catchin hogs dang it! Hahahaha!

[roughdog]

i hunt alot in freestone limestone and leon  countys

[TexasHogDogs]

My experience is this.  If a 250 - 300 lbs are bigger boar hog wants to run and is determined to run ain't many dogs gonna stop him if any !  The hog will determine when he wants to stop and has had enuff not so much the dog unless he is one bad bad azz dog are two are three !