Shut em down!

[matt_aggie04]

If you hunt in the limestone, freestone, leon county area and live in Marquez and you hunt anywhere around your house then you know about running hogs.  If you are catching hogs that are being winded at 65mph then that is a topic for another thread....where is there a ranch road that will let you go 65mph?

[BigAinaBuilt]

My experience is this.  If a 250 - 300 lbs are bigger boar hog wants to run and is determined to run ain't many dogs gonna stop him if any !  The hog will determine when he wants to stop and has had enuff !

If you ever make it to the Big island feel free to let me know and I will take you on a hunt. No gaurantees they will run or if we will stop them all but if what you want to see is a pig STOPPED whether he wanted to or not then I can show you that!

[Bryant]

Here's an idea...

Instead of trying to breed those rough, catchy, super dogs to stop all those runners why not breed some dogs with a little bottom to stay with one.  Lack of bottom is what has educated all these "supposed" runners in the first place...

[Txhoghunter]

Here's an idea...

Instead of trying to breed those rough, catchy, super dogs to stop all those runners why not breed some dogs with a little bottom to stay with one.  Lack of bottom is what has educated all these "supposed" runners in the first place...

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[roughdog]

i wouldnt have a dog that will run a hog for hours i can catch 3 before you get that one stoped  and if you dont think so get your pocket book out ill show you

[matt_aggie04]

i didnt say jack about being on a ranch road  lol

that is what I was afraid of......

[matt_aggie04]

You do realize you arent the only person on here that hunts that part world dont you?  Just saying....

[roughdog]

yes i know there is lots of good hunters around here they all catch good hogs we have no shortage . the land owners here just want the hogs daed what ever it takes so how i hunt is not hurting any one.  i dont go on any property that im not supose to be most of the time but cant any hog hunter say that they dont some times for some reason

[BigAinaBuilt]

Here's an idea...

Instead of trying to breed those rough, catchy, super dogs to stop all those runners why not breed some dogs with a little bottom to stay with one.  Lack of bottom is what has educated all these "supposed" runners in the first place...

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 A hog that gets stopped more then ear distance from me is a dead hog that i will never see and not why I hunt.

[Colby]

I've. Run cow dogs for a long time and i don't know how many i've had to"cull"because they were to rough. There's nothing worse than getting a bunch of cattle set and than a dog gets bored grabs an ear or nose and all he'll breaks loose. I think they do the same with hogs. To much pressure and to many dogs make them run.jmo

[tnhillbilly]

This is NOT a thread to bash rough dogs by any means, BTW. I am strictly wanting someone to explain this to me.

I understand exactly what you are tryin get an explanation for, but i too, cannot explain it.  you make a very good point, and a very good question.  unless we are there when the hog stops there is NO way we can say that our dogs actually stopped the hog, or the hog just decided to stop.

      It just sounds good in the story line, the hog broke and the dogs got in there and shut him down, and catchdog sealed the deal. 






 

[shawn]

You know my stance on this but I will always have loose dogs and see no reason to change.  I think that the hogs are going to do what they want to do and the ones that want to fight or do not want to run are what we catch.  If a hog REALLY wants to stretch out and run there isn't a dog alive that can "stop" them in my opinion.....
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x2 and have been in some long ass chases to see that, if they are gonna run, nothing can stop them, i do like the combination of a fairy rough dog that has a lot of bottom, to me it gives you a better chance, not stupid rough but one that will bite one on the ass and spin it around.

[warrent423]

Unfortunately, a good "rough" curdog is hard to keep alive.
 

[warrent423]

How many times do "rough" bay dogs cause a hog to run that otherwise would have stayed put?

In my opinion its more than some people want to admit.  Some times it takes 10 years for guys to see the've been in denial about this subject all allong.  Some will always swear by rough dogs no matter what.  Its easy to get sucked into the "rough" dog frame of mind when you hop on the internet as a bigginner and start reading things that should be taken with a grain of salt.   I've seen it time and time again. I've hunted with all kinds of dogs since I was a kid.  And I see the same thing in cow dogs as well.  Some rough dogs will make more livestock run, so they do more harm than good in those cases.

There are dogs that will be hard on a hog that runs and pretty much convince the hog its better for them to stand at bay than it is to run.  THAT is the ideal that rough dogs are based upon.  But its not just that simple.  The second part to that equation is backing off when the hog actually does stand at bay.  And thats were most "rough" dogs ive seen fall short.  They stay rough and the hog starts off running all over again.  Then you have that "rough dog" that will "catch anything under 200 lbs".  OK thats all fine and dandy but the first time I see that dog catch a 60lb shoat out of a group of hogs thats standing at bay will be the last time I care to hunt with that dog again.  Just my 2 cents.  

In my opinion it takes a well bred dog that comes from a livestock background and a good bit of luck to consistantly produce dogs that can pull off the "rough dog" thing and do it the right way.  There is a whole lot more to it than "just add a little of this and a little of that to put some gritt in there"  It may work for some people but it don't work for me.

Waylon

well said

[WestTexasCurs]

Here's an idea...

Instead of trying to breed those rough, catchy, super dogs to stop all those runners why not breed some dogs with a little bottom to stay with one.  Lack of bottom is what has educated all these "supposed" runners in the first place...

We think alike.I always heard that those ole sorry open dogs made all them "runners".Not them dogs that grab a hog every chance they get. 

[S_J_KENNELS]

I run rough dogs and will always run them as they work for me. I like a 1/2 pit by cur and wished I had a bunch more then I have now. Now I have a few dogs that are either not rough or not rough enough as when they are hunted have more races and no hogs to show for it then not. Since my old dog was killed earlier this year. I know he shut down hogs as I had seen it more then once in open fields and on the edges of brushlines. When I ran him and his running partner not many hogs had a chance. As soon as they found it it was either caught on contact or bayed untill it moved(again seen with my eyes). They did not care how big a hog it was either. THESE are the type of dogs I love and want in my pack. I want all my curs to work like that and not let the hogs have a chance to run. If they do they better catch it and stop it fast. If they then have to bay it that is why I carry dogos. I do not want long races. I want the hogs stopped or caught where they stand.
Dogs with bottom are nice and I have had some, but they were rough as cob as well. The ones I had would hunt all night and roll out as soon as you showed up after the next one and go however far they had to catch the next one. But I also seen these dogs miss alot of hogs and hunted with long range dogs with alot of bottom that passed up hogs as well. That the cur pit crosses found an caught while they were getting out there to their "hunting range". Also in a lot of areas dogs with bottom as most on here are talking about can not be used as they need to be due to small acreage. You have to have dogs that stop hogs fast or come back in a short time due to that reason. Eventually that hog and all "runners" will f up and be caught. Be it rough dogs or loose. Sometimes it takes two packs to do it. It has worked for us to have two packs when we knew the hogs habit when struck. An that hog is no longer living due to that. I have also seen alot of hogs that stay put for silent dogs where as when they hear an open dog they are moving already. There is so many different styles of hunting and opinions on it that folks could debate this forever.
Everybody hunts their own styles and ways due to where they are and how they were tought to hunt. Some like loooooooose dogs and some like tight. Others like me want the hogs caught on contact and do not like long runs. I want to see good dogs work no matter how they hunt as long as they produce and we have a good time doing that. T

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Rough dogs, Loose dogs, Bay dogs, catch dogs, Hog dogs, bird dogs, cow dogs, coon dogs,rabbit dogs, lap dogs are all used everyday some where to CATCH HOGS. Some will work in one area and not in another. If you feed'em who cares what anyone else thinks 

[djhogdogger]

Rough dogs, Loose dogs, Bay dogs, catch dogs, Hog dogs, bird dogs, cow dogs, coon dogs,rabbit dogs, lap dogs are all used everyday some where to CATCH HOGS. Some will work in one area and not in another. If you feed'em who cares what anyone else thinks 

AMEN!!!!

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

How many times do "rough" bay dogs cause a hog to run that otherwise would have stayed put?

In my opinion its more than some people want to admit.  Some times it takes 10 years for guys to see the've been in denial about this subject all allong.  Some will always swear by rough dogs no matter what.  Its easy to get sucked into the "rough" dog frame of mind when you hop on the internet as a bigginner and start reading things that should be taken with a grain of salt.   I've seen it time and time again. I've hunted with all kinds of dogs since I was a kid.  And I see the same thing in cow dogs as well.  Some rough dogs will make more livestock run, so they do more harm than good in those cases.

There are dogs that will be hard on a hog that runs and pretty much convince the hog its better for them to stand at bay than it is to run.  THAT is the ideal that rough dogs are based upon.  But its not just that simple.  The second part to that equation is backing off when the hog actually does stand at bay.  And thats were most "rough" dogs ive seen fall short.  They stay rough and the hog starts off running all over again.  Then you have that "rough dog" that will "catch anything under 200 lbs".  OK thats all fine and dandy but the first time I see that dog catch a 60lb shoat out of a group of hogs thats standing at bay will be the last time I care to hunt with that dog again.  Just my 2 cents. 

In my opinion it takes a well bred dog that comes from a livestock background and a good bit of luck to consistantly produce dogs that can pull off the "rough dog" thing and do it the right way.  There is a whole lot more to it than "just add a little of this and a little of that to put some gritt in there"  It may work for some people but it don't work for me.

Waylon


Could not have said it better myself

[BIG BEN]

  IMO the reason there is alot of runners these days are because of rough catchy dogs.