Shut em down!

[waylon-N.E. OK]

scdogman said}
Rough dogs might not shut down runners any better that a loose dog.  They just prevent them from running.

It has been my experience that rough dogs caused more busted bays and sent a hog who was content to stay put and be bayed on the run. Maybe that's just me and these Oklahoma hogs. Maybe your defenition of a rough dog and mine are different to

Mine is this: Rough dog= any dog that would rather bite ( not catch ) than bay, or while baying insist biting or putting undue pressure on a hog. He is not a true catch dog, but hopes to be some day when he grows up  

Loose dog= a BAY dog who will bite a hog only when he has to, any other time he gets back far enough to release enough pressure so the hog feels it's best defence is to stand his ground than to try and run, but not so far back the hog can simply leave out without this dog stopping him, he is confident enough to step back and BAY a hog, skilled enough to only be rough when he has to  

In my world the rough dog is not welcome

[chainrated]

dj, don't get me wrong I'm not saying you can't catch hogs with a rough dog. My point is that I don't believe ANY dog, be it rough or loose or in between is running hogs down in thick woods and MAKING them stop. We all probably want to believe that and I want to someday hunt with one that can do it anywhere.. But I'm in no way saying that a rough dog won't produce hogs , my best dog is a little on the rough side.  If it was as easy as having a fast dog or a rough dog I could catch every hog around here.. 

[djhogdogger]

dj, don't get me wrong I'm not saying you can't catch hogs with a rough dog. My point is that I don't believe ANY dog, be it rough or loose or in between is running hogs down in thick woods and MAKING them stop. We all probably want to believe that and I want to someday hunt with one that can do it anywhere.. But I'm in no way saying that a rough dog won't produce hogs , my best dog is a little on the rough side.  If it was as easy as having a fast dog or a rough dog I could catch every hog around here.. 

I think we have found common ground!

[3-Bdogs]

i have been thinkin about this topic since i could remember and all i can come up  with is either type will catch hogs its apparently proven... you won't stop a big bad hog if he wants to run... and everyone has different opinions on this topic

[uglydog]

Yep I think Common ground was Found and it got to the 5 pages predicted from the start!

[scdogman]

You hit the nail on the head.  What some call rough is different from what others call rough? In my book a dog needs to bay or catch.  
Anything in between is bad.

I know some guys that haven't owned a catchdog in the 15 years I have known them.  If you are bringing your catch dog, you would just be doing it for exercise.  

The ruff dogs of that I speak are usually 90 to 95% I would guess all catch by themselves.  No waiting on the bulldog, no biting the hams , but straight to ear.    I have never owned one, but know they exist and can produce high numbers in populated areas and shorten races( I mean prevent races in others).

[MAV]

i know people that catch alot of hogs with rough dogs and alot with loose dogs.
different strokes for different folks. who cares if they are catching pigs.

[Txhoghunter]

i know people that catch alot of hogs with rough dogs and alot with loose dogs.
different strokes for different folks. who cares if they are catching pigs.

once again, I understand this and thats not the issue at hand.

[elliscountyhog]

Rough dogs are better  

I got one that will find em catch em and tie and load in the truck

[LionandBoarHunter]

WELL I GOT ONE JUST FOR YOU TO COME CATCH HE HAS KILLED 3 OF MY DOGS I CANT SEEM TO CATCH HIM I WILL PAY GOOD MONEY IF YOU CAN CATCH HIM IT WILL BE FUN 

[Bryant]

What Michael is referrring to, and his question remains...there is a difference between a so-called rough dog and a catch dog.  If you want dogs that straight catch, why even mess with curs?  Why not run a pack of bulldogs?  What he's referring to is a dog that will stop a hog, then back up and bay it.  Happens VERY little even though everyone says "so and so got him stopped and we finally caught him".  If this was the case, there would be a heck of a lot of hogs caught (with bulldogs...not with curs hanging all over it when you get there) in the open, which doesn't often happen.  If it's the dog truly doing the STOPPING (not CATCHING), seems hogs wouldn't often end up bayed in places beneficial to themselves (wash-outs, edges of water, against fallen trees) like they mostly do.

Another question for those with the rough (catch) dogs.  How often do you bay up groups of hogs together?  Ever thought that one hog you find the curs caught on when you got there could have been the smallest of ten that were together when the curs decided to catch out and send the rest packing?  I think the latter is what happens more than anyone would admit.  A catching cur dog would be a quick cull on most of the old time stock mens yards.

I hunted with an old friend a few weeks ago who I used to hunt with some when I bayed and shot hogs (which he still does) and was reminded how a true stock bred dog should work a sounder of hogs.  His dogs bayed a group of seven hogs and had them bunched pretty as could be when we got there.  He shot a hog, and instead of the dogs all pouncing on the wounded, they immediately got ahead and stopped the group.  We eased in about 50 yards later and he shot another hog.  People can call BS on this all they want, but in the end all seven original hogs lay dead....one shot at a time.  Probably one of those things I'll see once in a lifetime, but thats the true definition in my mind of how a true stock bred dog should work.

[elliscountyhog]

WELL I GOT ONE JUST FOR YOU TO COME CATCH HE HAS KILLED 3 OF MY DOGS I CANT SEEM TO CATCH HIM I WILL PAY GOOD MONEY IF YOU CAN CATCH HIM IT WILL BE FUN 

I knew i would get the invite one way or another to hunt with you..... I thought i was going to have to pay a guide fee

[LionandBoarHunter]

WELL WHAT ARE YOU WAITIN ON COME ON I KNOW WERE THIS BOAR LIVES  IF YOU WANT TO TRY HIM I USUALLY START HIM ABOUT TWICE A MONTH IN THE SAME AREA AND HE DOES THE SAME THING EVERY TIME HE IS A BAD SOME BEACH I WILL GET HIM SOONER OR LATER WITH MY LOOSE BAYIN DOGS / ROUGH WHEN THEY NEED TO BE

[cward]

WELL WHAT ARE YOU WAITIN ON COME ON I KNOW WERE THIS BOAR LIVES  IF YOU WANT TO TRY HIM I USUALLY START HIM ABOUT TWICE A MONTH IN THE SAME AREA AND HE DOES THE SAME THING EVERY TIME HE IS A BAD SOME BEACH I WILL GET HIM SOONER OR LATER WITH MY LOOSE BAYIN DOGS / ROUGH WHEN THEY NEED TO BE

Dang Jesse you just confused the crap out of everybody with that last statement!!
You will be seeing those dogs on the dog trade!! LOOSE BAYIN DOGS/ ROUGH WHEN THEY NEED TO BE!!!lol

[elliscountyhog]

WELL WHAT ARE YOU WAITIN ON COME ON I KNOW WERE THIS BOAR LIVES  IF YOU WANT TO TRY HIM I USUALLY START HIM ABOUT TWICE A MONTH IN THE SAME AREA AND HE DOES THE SAME THING EVERY TIME HE IS A BAD SOME BEACH I WILL GET HIM SOONER OR LATER WITH MY LOOSE BAYIN DOGS / ROUGH WHEN THEY NEED TO BE

Sounds like a runnin sob, can i wait untill deer season and then squeeze a deer hunt out of you too .. J/K
Them Loose bayin rough dogs are the way to go, i think the less the pressure on a hog the better.

[djhogdogger]

Rough dogs are better  

I got one that will find em catch em and tie and load in the truck

WOW! We have a rough dog that will do the same thing! And we have a loose baying dog that will stand there and smoke a cigarette while watching the rough dog do all the work. 

[warrent423]

What Michael is referrring to, and his question remains...there is a difference between a so-called rough dog and a catch dog.  If you want dogs that straight catch, why even mess with curs?  Why not run a pack of bulldogs?  What he's referring to is a dog that will stop a hog, then back up and bay it.  Happens VERY little even though everyone says "so and so got him stopped and we finally caught him".  If this was the case, there would be a heck of a lot of hogs caught (with bulldogs...not with curs hanging all over it when you get there) in the open, which doesn't often happen.  If it's the dog truly doing the STOPPING (not CATCHING), seems hogs wouldn't often end up bayed in places beneficial to themselves (wash-outs, edges of water, against fallen trees) like they mostly do.

Another question for those with the rough (catch) dogs.  How often do you bay up groups of hogs together?  Ever thought that one hog you find the curs caught on when you got there could have been the smallest of ten that were together when the curs decided to catch out and send the rest packing?  I think the latter is what happens more than anyone would admit.  A catching cur dog would be a quick cull on most of the old time stock mens yards.

I hunted with an old friend a few weeks ago who I used to hunt with some when I bayed and shot hogs (which he still does) and was reminded how a true stock bred dog should work a sounder of hogs.  His dogs bayed a group of seven hogs and had them bunched pretty as could be when we got there.  He shot a hog, and instead of the dogs all pouncing on the wounded, they immediately got ahead and stopped the group.  We eased in about 50 yards later and he shot another hog.  People can call BS on this all they want, but in the end all seven original hogs lay dead....one shot at a time.  Probably one of those things I'll see once in a lifetime, but thats the true definition in my mind of how a true stock bred dog should work.

The ones that would catch without being told to do so would be the culls. Another thing, you can't "work" them if their dead. 

[M Bennet]

i run very rough dogs i catch hogs in coastal fields all the time we ran a hogs 274yrds and caught no cd, last sat caught a sow  400yrds . i didnt see any thick cover around just grass . iv caught more hogs with rough dogs than with my bay loose dogs. my bmc bark 2 or 3 times maybe and then they stretch him out . i dont run hogs real far any more , but they do get cutt on alittle more. hood hunting is my favorit its always short and sweet well 90% of time

[scdogman]

I am going to leave this post alone, but Waylon what u define as rough I call a dog that needs to be culled.     

[TexasHogDogs]

i wouldnt have a dog that will run a hog for hours i can catch 3 before you get that one stoped  and if you dont think so get your pocket book out ill show you

I would not say I would not own one but I tend to  agree with you roughdog.  I have owned dogs that would not come off a track till the end still do but dont like it  and have chased hogs as many miles any anybody on this board but over the years I have found out I can catch two three four five hogs in the time it would take me to chase that one hog down.

I have owned some of the ruffest dogs a man can own and we have stopped many a bad hog but there is some out there that we aint never stopped  as of yet and may never stop those are the few am talking about  in the other post .  I know dogs can stop hogs but I have seen some bad boar hogs that have not been stopped and caught yet and I have had the dead and cut up dogs to prove it there is one place around here we dont even go on because of this and anytime we get close to it try to back off of it !  There was a boar hog that got shot out there by th eland owner that dressed over 400 lbs and we have seen some of his skull that are just unbelievable and a couple other buddys will tell you the same!