MOUTHY BULLDOGS!!!

[Randy_P]

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts??  I hava a neighbor that has two rednose's that are Hammonds/Wilder (both game lines) blood. Absolutely no manners and very aggresive.  I also raise pits and have black, pink, and blue nosed dogs that are tight lipped all the way to the bay and on the box.. ETHhunters has a pup from these dogs that at 8mths old will walk with you to the bay until you send him.  IMO socialization, and how one handles the dogs determines how the dog will turn out.   

[UNDERDOG]

does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts?? 

NO.......

[bignasty]

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts??  I hava a neighbor that has two rednose's that are Hammonds/Wilder (both game lines) blood. Absolutely no manners and very aggresive.  I also raise pits and have black, pink, and blue nosed dogs that are tight lipped all the way to the bay and on the box.. ETHhunters has a pup from these dogs that at 8mths old will walk with you to the bay until you send him.  IMO socialization, and how one handles the dogs determines how the dog will turn out.   

good 4 you

[Randy_P]

Underdog, I was pretty sure it made no difference what color the nose was....I just did not want to turn it into a "my dogs nose color is better than yours thread!!"

[M Bennet]

i use a shocking proud like for cows , a little cardiact to them they usely stop

[SoCoLime]

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts??

Having a red nose actually does have some bearing on a dog's temperament, in all breeds, not just bulldogs. Canines with red noses, or recessive genes that produce overall red coloration, are genetically predisposed to being more high strung than your average, run of the mill black nosed dog. If your issue is with nervousness or useless energy manifested in whining, pacing, dancing, pulling on leads, ect. you'd be better served to try a line that doesn't throw predominantly red nosed dogs. I deal with it, because I'm a sucker for red noses. Go figure.

[Scott]

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts??

Having a red nose actually does have some bearing on a dog's temperament, in all breeds, not just bulldogs. Canines with red noses, or recessive genes that produce overall red coloration, are genetically predisposed to being more high strung than your average, run of the mill black nosed dog. If your issue is with nervousness or useless energy manifested in whining, pacing, dancing, pulling on leads, ect. you'd be better served to try a line that doesn't throw predominantly red nosed dogs. I deal with it, because I'm a sucker for red noses. Go figure.

Do you have a link to the studies that determined this?

[SoCoLime]

Nah, that's just notes that I've picked up from school and work and shows on genetic studies on NatGeo and from personal experience   The shows would probably be the easiest thing to find as a reference point, but they're many years old by now. I think they mention it in a genetics portion during that From Conception to Birth: Dogs show, though, if you care to youtube it.

[UNDERDOG]

Welcome to the board.....I do dis agree on the nose color,in my years with game dogs I never noticed a tie in with nose color and temp etc. it varried more with individual lines vs color of nose.

[chainrated]

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts?? 

NO , again...

[SoCoLime]

Oh, I agree that individual lines have much more impact on a dog's temperament and personality than just color. About half of the dogs on my yard are red nosed, the other black. I have two red nosed bitches, and both are high strung and very mouthy, but the more heavily inbred Bolio bitch is a damned nut case. I don't believe she's got a lick of sense anywhere. Just drive drive drive. Different lines, different traits. On the other hand, I have black nosed dogs who are very calm and trainable, and I have black nosed dogs who are a handful, though not very mouthy.

In general, though, genetically speaking, red dogs are allegedly more likely to be high strung -- and that's red dogs in general, not just bulldogs. Think red Dobies, Vizlas, RedBones, etc. vs. their counterparts. I'll have to see if I can find my notes from my genetics class tonight and post them.

[chainrated]

In general, though, genetically speaking, red dogs are allegedly more likely to be high strung -- and that's red dogs in general, not just bulldogs. Think red Dobies, Vizlas, RedBones, etc. vs. their counterparts. I'll have to see if I can find my notes from my genetics class tonight and post them.

I don't think that's a very good arguement. If you were to ask what dogs were the most high strung in general I doubt dobermans or vizlas and especially not redbones would be at the top of anyone's list.. Jagd's and patterdales are some of the most high strung dogs out there and they are mostly black with black noses. And when I think of a redbone I think of a big long eared hound dog laying around on a porch.. 
And I agree with underdog on the bulldogs, it has a lot more to do with the line than the nose color..

[SoCoLime]

And that has to do with the breed and/or line they're from -- they're terriers, naturally they're going to be more high strung than hounds. I said to look at them in comparison to their counterparts, not completely different breeds. The vet I work for breeds Dobies, she has ONE red one out of ten, because the red Dobies are too high strung for her liking. Vizlas are very hyper dogs, more so than say German Shorthaired Pointers or similar sized Spaniel breeds. I honestly don't know enough about the difference in temperament between coonhounds to say that a Redbone would be harder to control than a Blue Tick, it was just a red dog I threw out there in the bunch.

I'm not really making an "argument", anyway. I'm simply stating what I was taught in my college genetics class, and what I know from personal experience. Scientifically speaking, genetically, red colored dogs are more likely to be high strung animals. Take it as you will. 

[UNDERDOG]

Ok, so compare a Visla with a Wiemaraner......BOTH very high strung dogs.
One red nosed and one blue......      On the Red bones...since I was 15-16 I have only seen one or two that would hunt or tree worth a squirt...so in them specifically I have never seen many high strung.

[chainrated]

I said to look at them in comparison to their counterparts, not completely different breeds.

All redbones are red with black noses, going by the breed standard. What would their counterpart be?

Vizlas are very hyper dogs, more so than say German Shorthaired Pointers or similar sized Spaniel breeds

Anyone who has been around very many GSP's would probably disagree with that..

I'm not really making an "argument", anyway. I'm simply stating what I was taught in my college genetics class, and what I know from personal experience. Scientifically speaking, genetically, red colored dogs are more likely to be high strung animals. Take it as you will. 

Must be that global warming   

[Randy_P]

I also dis-agree with the rednose theory.  I have a 9 yr old "red" nosed registered Labrador Retriever. She has been the calmest dog I have ever owned.  TO the point of being lazy.  I have a blue nosed pit female that is a ball of energy.  Not disagreeing on all situations but nose color does not determine energy level or intelligence.  Rednosed dogs were bred because someone thoughth the red toe nails and noses of the pits were cool so they bred for that trait.  Just a thought.