Help with a colt

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Hey y'all I need help with a filly. Been riding her for about 2 weeks now in the round pen, and can walk and trot fine, but I can't get her to lope off without really getting after her. BUT here is my problem, if you kick on her at all, she gets pissed off and bucks... Under an empty saddle, she will walk, trot, and lope without a problem off kisses and voice commands, but once I'm in the saddle it all goes to number 2....


I need any suggestions, please?

[de_moon]

A lot of colts will do this with the extra weight on their back.  Something about breaking into a lope will make them buck, but it usually isn't but for a couple of steps.  If you can brave the storm, just "ride it out"  I know that's easier said than done.  It's good to have somebody else work her in the roundpen at a walk, trot, and lope in both directions.  Then mount up and let that person do the same thing.  That way you aren't kicking or whipping or spurring.  The colt will a lot of times be more focused on who is working them in the middle of the roundpen and not offer a buck in a lope.  Sounds like you have a lot of basics down and just need to get over the little "hump" Hope this makes sense. 

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Moon, that does make sense, but here is my problem, I don't have anyone else to help me. I have tried to "brave the storm", but it won't go away... AND, she does buck under an empty saddle, LIKE H*LL... I ain't never seen a horse than buck like her, and I have rodeoed all my life!!! I know without a doubt in my mind that I would not be able to hang with her if she got going good with the bucking. As it is, when she starts bucking, I can gripe at her, and pull her head back to me, but as soon as I ask for the lope, it's the same story... I'm NOT stopping when she starts bucking, I just get her paused long enough to get the jumping stopped and then we go right back in to a hard extended trot. I'm at a complete loss, I have never had a colt like this.

[Tusk Hog]

  Could the saddle be pinching her? She may be able to tolerate it in a walk/trot but not in a lope. Some saddles won't fit all colts. Had the same thing happen years ago. Give her a fews weeks off, changed saddles, totally different horse.

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Tusk, I thought about that, and I changed saddle, pads, everything... I don't think my saddle is pinching her, I looked all down her back, and there are NO dry spots at all with my saddle, but several with the other saddles.

[RockinW]

is she pissy and resentful ONLY when you ask her to lope? sometimes they'll do that out of laziness, just dont wanna work that hard, and sometimes they kinda get bored goin around the same circle especially if its a pretty small pen. sometimes if you just give em some place to go it'll take the laziness and resentfulness out of em. let em see something new. if you think you can get by her, take her outside. if she has room to go some place  she may lope off on her own without you having to peddle her so much. just be sure you can at least bend her around and maybe kick her hips to the outside if she does do something. you should be able to get her head up and get her shut down  this way, just like you do from the ground.

of course she may buck you off and run your saddle under a guide wire too, so maybe you better try it at your own risk

[hoghunter_1985]

ok to start off im not a horse trainer by no means but my uncle is about the best i have seen. i helped him break some colts and he told me some horses do that because they know the place they are in and dont need you to tell them what to do or how to go anywhere. in other words if you can take them to a place they are not accustomed to they usually realize that they need you there with them and do what u want them to. like i said i have never done this its just what i have heard. maybe it will help you?

[leonriverboy]

I would make sure she is thin as a rail and tie her out most of the day and ride her in large pastures for many hours and days.  Work her a$$ off with many miles.

[Wmwendler]

Wear her out on a warm afternoon and then try it.

Waylon

[waylon-N.E. OK]

http://www.westernhorseman.com/index.php/e-directory/139/barnes-no-buck-trainer.html

My buddy bought one and it worked good, just a thought.

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

Tiny do you know what a tree of knowlege is? That is a tye rope hanging out of a tree with a heavy swivel snap on it.  Saddle the colt up in the morning do your ground work tie under the tree till noon. Take the colt to water at noon then put it back under the tree till that after noon. Take the colt to the round pen and do your work,If you still have problems keep repeating.I would do this before I would try to starve it into giving up.It would be nice to have someone there to help in the round pen as said before. I dont put a colt back in the pasture when I start him until It is where I can have a few good rides in the round pen.It is either in the stall,round pen, or tree of knowlege.

[Circle C]

tree of knowlege

Tree of knowledge/ thinkin tree  has helped a bunch of colts contemplate life's mysteries....

[BarrNinja]

Im not a trainer however, I was taught by a trainer how he liked to start horses and that is when I had my 1st lesson with the "tree of knowledge". It works wonders! It’s like a Scotch hobble on a mule!

The problem was, back in those days, my favorite time to ride a horse was when it was bucking. 

There are softer approaches and positive reinforcement now a days but, sometimes I still think the best and fastest approach to problems like this is to just ride the "Buck" out of them.   

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Uh k. Lol yes, I use the tree of knowledge as you call it, I call it the patience post. That damn filly has pawed herself a 3 ft hole all the way around it and I refuse to fill it back in till she stops pawing.

Rockin P, I'm like you, I won't starve one. And in a perfect world I would love to have her a*s in a stall and not in the pasture, but, I dont have one.

Waylon, I dont put a foot in the stirrup unless she is real warm and puffin pretty good.

Rockin W yeah she only ttys to buck when asked to lope, but still acts almost, unsure, of herself when trotting. I have a hard time getting her to hold the trot. She will go in it fine but won't hold it. Lmao I would LOVE to be able to take her in the pasture but if I got bucked off and hurt it would be about 4 maybe 5 hrs before I got found.

I'm beginning to wonder if this filly is worth all this. She is definately one of the most athletically talented mares I've seen in my life, and is bred real nice (smart little Lena and peponita on her papers).

Speaking of bloodlines, if you wanna know what this mare's biggest problem is, she is bred peponita (the buck) doc bar (no quit) and colonel freckles (hard head) lol.

[BarrNinja]

As a last resort, you can always hire a cowBoy to ride the buck out of that colt!  

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

Ninja if you will bring your mule and snub for me I'll get in the middle of the colt for her!

[martin c.]

I like Mr. Ronnie idea. I had a very close friend that was murdered about 10 years ago. He was the best rough and tumble cowboy I ever knew. He told me one time "you take a pissy horse that dosent want to ride right, saddle it up about 5:30 am, use it a little, keep it saddled all day. That night leave it saddled, feed only hay and water. Do that for a few days, never take saddle off, and on the evening of the third day when you loosen the girth THEY WILL START TO APPRICIATE YOU A LITTLE BIT."

And tiny-get out of the round pen.

Mr. Ronnie I need a cow dog.

[jdt]

Im not a trainer however, I was taught by a trainer how he liked to start horses and that is when I had my 1st lesson with the "tree of knowledge". It works wonders! It’s like a Scotch hobble on a mule!

The problem was, back in those days, my favorite time to ride a horse was when it was bucking. 

There are softer approaches and positive reinforcement now a days but, sometimes I still think the best and fastest approach to problems like this is to just ride the "Buck" out of them.   


i agree , sounds like she has the bluff on you . i,d make her live hard for a day or 2, then if she wanted to buck i'd make her buck till she was tired of it , and then buck some more .

[Tusk Hog]

   OK, I'm going to let you in on an old age secret. It's worked for me many times now. As I have gotten older the ground has gotten harder. Bones and muscles also heal slower. Now are you ready for the big secret? Acepromazine commonly called ACE. 1 1/2 cc's wait 30 minutes and crawl on. It will help the colt relax and realize loping is not that bad. Each day it will take alittle less ace. Most vets won't have a problem with supplying you ace if they know your just trying not to get hurt. Another sedative that work well, but cost alittle more is Torzine. May not be the cowboy way, but the cowboys always liked my horses.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Now are you ready for the big secret? Acepromazine commonly called ACE.

Man your not an old horse trader are ya  I thought that was only used to sell rank horses, I learned about ACE the hard way, never thought about using it to train with. If I get one that likes to buck to much, I sell'em and move on, way to many good ones to fight a bad one, but you Texas guys are tougher than us Okies I guess