pups from raider54

[raider54]

Man I always miss the dirt! lol.

Paul you know I like those catch dogs you cross. These pups are no exception!

The people that buy them must like them too because they pay alot of money for them. This is exactly why I dont advertise them on ETHD because they can buy 2 finished CD's for what I get for these pups at 8 weeks old. You know its kind of like the LINE BREd Weatherford Ben pups that go for $600-$800 each. Most people here laugh at an asking price like that for a wiened pup, but sombody isnt laughing because there is usually a waiting list for them.

Thanks for the compliment BNinja, Im sure this thread made someone's blood boil. I have met some very very nice people because of these pups, and have made several new friends. I have sold every single pup I have raised out of this cross, with exception to the ones I kept or GAVE to a friend who had no trouble selling his. I only raise one litter a year. Some people like my MAX dog enough after hunting with him that they are willing to PAY to breed thier CD's to him. Though those comments were insulting many people here would say different.

[make-em-squeel]

What did I miss?? Good looking and hard dogs are two different things, I wont own a bulldog that isnt both   for long....Paul I love you but she did not throw consistant "HARD" dogs in her last litter, hopefully this litter and new sire will perfect/clean that up. Time will tell, but we have to see what happens and call a spade a spade ie stroke.....they are some perty pricks.
God bless

[t.wilbanks]

Ok, now that i know what happened earlier, I just want it to be clear that my first post was just a joke between me and Paul, and im sure he knows that!! 

I have hunted several times with Paul and Max, and have seen Max catch SEVERAL hogs, big and small. I have never seen him not go to a bay, or hesitate to catch....He also has VERY good handle while leading...If he wanted to, he could drag you anywhere he wanted to go, but he doesnt.

For you guys with the pups from him, i have no doubt you will have good luck with them. I would have one myself, if i wasnt so poor!!! lol

[daisydog]

i once again agree with trenton. i have seen max catch a bunch of hogs. and ive seen him bay several also. but those of you that got pups will probably be very happy. they are pretty to look at

[Scott]

Not quite sure how $$$$ impacts a cull rate for any dog/litter...

[Mike]

Ah... $$$$.

Just out of curiousity, what makes these dogs so valuable? People have been crossing dogo's, ab's and pits over each other for as long as I can remember... I don't ever recall such a high price tag on them.

[texasguy23]

well aparently ive missed a couple of things since i started this post lol when it all comes down to it a person who likes your product will buy your goods i love the pup i got from mr paul and wouldnt hesitate to buy another. hell mr paul could have charged me double and i would have paid it without thinking twice. so i guess what im saying is drop me a line when you have another litter and ill be first in line to pick one up and i know mex will be right behind me mr paul!!!

[raider54]

What did I miss?? Good looking and hard dogs are two different things, I wont own a bulldog that isnt both   for long....Paul I love you but she did not throw consistant "HARD" dogs in her last litter, hopefully this litter and new sire will perfect/clean that up. Time will tell, but we have to see what happens and call a spade a spade ie stroke.....they are some perty pricks.
God bless

Grant, I can prove what you just said isnt true, a ETHD board member owns Stroke right now, and He will tell you that Stroke by himself is just a hard of CD as any he has seen but when there are 2 or three CD's he will back off after its caught. Have you ever seen Stroke Not Catch? or did you hear it from somewhere. I asked anybody that owned one that doesnt catch to let everybody here know about it, not someone who heard it from someone else. I dont believe its quite fair to spread hearsay here, I will have the guy that owns the dog you are talking about call you and tell you what he thinks about him.

[raider54]

well aparently ive missed a couple of things since i started this post lol when it all comes down to it a person who likes your product will buy your goods i love the pup i got from mr paul and wouldnt hesitate to buy another. hell mr paul could have charged me double and i would have paid it without thinking twice. so i guess what im saying is drop me a line when you have another litter and ill be first in line to pick one up and i know mex will be right behind me mr paul!!!

There ya go MIKE..........I have never asked anybody to buy one of them and to answer your question.......NOTHING

[UNDERDOG]

Not quite sure how $$$$ impacts a cull rate for any dog/litter...

Ah... $$$$.

Just out of curiousity, what makes these dogs so valuable? People have been crossing dogo's, ab's and pits over each other for as long as I can remember... I don't ever recall such a high price tag on them.

X 2........from what I have read I personally wouldn't have one (no offence) this is solely based on post about these dogs I have read. It seems the cull rate could be high with the gyp being of no know pedigree or knowledge of any idea how she is bred.Just a roll of the dice......

I guess people can spend there money how they want and some ain't ashamed to take it.

[Scott]

well aparently ive missed a couple of things

Apparently...

[raider54]

Not quite sure how $$$$ impacts a cull rate for any dog/litter...

Ah... $$$$.

Just out of curiousity, what makes these dogs so valuable? People have been crossing dogo's, ab's and pits over each other for as long as I can remember... I don't ever recall such a high price tag on them.

X 2........from what I have read I personally wouldn't have one (no offence) this is solely based on post about these dogs I have read. It seems the cull rate could be high with the gyp being of no know pedigree or knowledge of any idea how she is bred.Just a roll of the dice......

I guess people can spend there money how they want and some ain't ashamed to take it.

This is becoming Comical now.....How is the Female Bred?  What do you know of her pedigree? She is a registered dog but I didnt realize that you had seen her pedigree and determined she was from an inferior line. She has been hunting in the woods 2 times the first time we caught 5 hogs and she was caught every time! The second time we never bayed a hog, she had only seen a hog 1 time before that hunt. She is my wife's house dog I dont hunt her. I never intended to sell these dogs to hog hunters, My plan was to raise my own CD's and sell the rest to residents in my city of Plano, TX but some hog hunters have wanted them. Nothing makes them worth a great deal of money but they are priced at what the market will bare. Please dont be mad because I sell my pups once a year for more money than you think they are worth. I certainly am not offended when I see someone selling a help dog for $700 or an old beat up truck for twice what it is really worth, I just figure if they sell it, then it must have been priced right for sombody. All of the aggressive negative comments have come from people that I have never tried to sell a pup to now havent they? The truth is every pup I have ever sold which is a Grand Total of 2 litters, the buyer has approached me to buy a pup. I have never twisted anyone's arm to buy an overpriced dog.

[t.wilbanks]

X 2........from what I have read I personally wouldn't have one (no offence) this is solely based on post about these dogs I have read. It seems the cull rate could be high with the gyp being of no know pedigree or knowledge of any idea how she is bred.Just a roll of the dice......

I guess people can spend there money how they want and some ain't ashamed to take it.

Just curious as how an unknown pedigree on a dog affects the cull rate..  
Im sure that most people out there dont know much about the pedigree/background of their CD, but i dont see that making their cull rate higher than breeding dogs with pedigrees.

As its always been said on here " the dog is only worth as much as someone will pay for it "
I guess its worth it to alot of people...  

[raider54]

Not quite sure how $$$$ impacts a cull rate for any dog/litter...

Absolutely Nothing.......they could all be culls

[t.wilbanks]

HAHA!! you posted 34 seconds before me Paul!!!! 

[mex]

Man this is nuts but if my pup doesnt turn out I still gotta keep that first pic of he and my baby girl!And don't worry the Mex aint scared to cull boys!

[UNDERDOG]

Raider ........I really don't care bow much you get for culls or "good" ones.......you were the one bragging about selling a cull for what 1500 bucks.....if you can sleep at night good for ya. As far a pedigrees etc if you are going to TRY to produce catch dogs why not improve your odds and use working bred dogs from the start? You your self told me you got her from canton trade days right? Is she from working dogs? From looking at the gyp she is prolly a high percentage johnson dog or at best a hybrid who bayed like a champ in your words......my prob is how many of thhese no gos will be passed of as ab's? It is hard enough to get good ones of them much less crosses to dogos.  Good luck to ya.

[Scott]

Just curious as how an unknown pedigree on a dog affects the cull rate..  

You should do some research on genetics and how they impact the consistency of scatterbred, linebred, and inbred dogs.

[t.wilbanks]

Just curious as how an unknown pedigree on a dog affects the cull rate..  

You should do some research on genetics and how they impact the consistency of scatterbred, linebred, and inbred dogs.

Scott, I know you are knowledgeable with ABs, so i will use them as an example...

Say you have two ABs that are both excellent CDs. one has papers with a good pedigree and the other you know nothing about. The chances of the good pedigree AB producing cull CDs could be the same or possibly higher than the other depending on the particular dog, correct?
 

[raider54]

Raider ........I really don't care bow much you get for culls or "good" ones.......you were the one bragging about selling a cull for what 1500 bucks.....if you can sleep at night good for ya. As far a pedigrees etc if you are going to TRY to produce catch dogs why not improve your odds and use working bred dogs from the start? You your self told me you got her from canyon trade days right? Is she from working dogs?

You have some of that right but you have some of it wrong. 1st I wasnt Bragging, the guy I sold him to couldnt keep him, he asked me to keep the money and find him a good home. I nearly gave him away to a board member, I let my friend tell me he was a cull because he threw him in a horse trailer with a 250 pound sow that ran over him when he was 10 months old, I had already seen him catch 20 or so hogs, I told the guy who has him now he wasnt a catch dog, This dogs name was Stroke, the dog my buddy Makemsqueel was refering to. He took him home and not having a catch dog took him hunting, bayed a big Boar, cut Stroke loose by himself and he went in and hammered him and to this day has caught every single hog he has sent him in on. Is he a cull? your call I didnt give him a chance unfortunately, they did. Yes you were right that I got her at Canton from a guy that makes a living hog hunting and trapping that I had been hog hunting with several times where I saw he dad and mom both catch hogs! So Im not sure what Canton has to do with it, I bought a computer there and Im on it right now. I believe the moma's side has been proven, at least to me, I havent asked anyone else if they approve. The pups from the last litter turned out very well, I bred her to a Big Dogo from southern LA. who was a great CD, I only hunted with him 4 times but I thought he was awesome, I once again went with what I thought was a good decision, not someone else. That dog is now dead, so that was not an option so I sought out the advise of some fellow ETHDer's for a stud dog. I found a very generous Hog hunter who is also a DOGO Judge who left his very EXPENSIVE Stud dog with me for two weeks. OH YEA very important this gentelman culls his Dogos if they are not proven ONE OUTERS. I think I bred up this time if the several hunters here was truthful with me. Now you have my entire story in detail. Now all I can say is if someone has doubts about one of my pups as you do then I would suggest they dont buy one. I cant get much more honest than that