got a question for yall hog hunters and bay pen guys

[catch dog_30]

We want to start holding a bay pen com. for the less wealthy hog hunters and bay pen guys.. so if we did would yall let us know if yall would be interested email me or text me.. fees would be around 10-60 at the max and money would be going to church and to hold more comp.'s. It would beheld in Canton if we can get the church to do it... but would like to know if anyone would come before we go through all the hassle.. And would need to find someone that wants to be the judge and the fee... Dog trading selling and bay pen would all be here one day event.  972-489-6397 Lynsey 903-802-2106 Michael or emal me dskhuntingdogs@aol.com

[Spencer]

We would come. We are in Athens so this would be great!

[Maver!ck]

which church?  new frontiers?

[catch dog_30]

Yes new frontiers

[Slim]

Hey, Slim and Chance would be there.  we're in Gladewater and would welcome a good baypen as long as it was appropriate for the whole family..... We went to Callaways last Saturday and I was shocked at all of the alcohol, cigarettes, and foul language.  Not to mention we couldn't hear our dog bay in the competition for all the dogs baying that were tied up to the fence around the arena.  Build it right and they will come.  Run it right and they will continue to come. Just my two cents worth...

[Maver!ck]

you will need to have a good set of hogs(good size and not just 5 or 6 with some baypen work done on them), someone with some experience running a bay competition to get you pointed in the right direction and another suggestion on how to do your first one - i would only do the basic divisions until you get the hang of it.  Puppy, Old & Young, One Dog, and Two Dog.   If it's a 'poor boy baying' as they call it, then you really shouldn't worry about pro and amateur version of the 1 and 2 dogs.  Plus, if you don't have a good group of hogs, the less divisions you have, your hogs will stay in better shape over the course of the baying.  that's right down the road from me, i might show up 

Maver!ck

[catch dog_30]

Thank you guys there will be no alcohol on premises i will be riding around making sure that everyone Will do what they are suppose to dogs Will not be allowed around the arena i don't care what circumstances there is enough places to put dogs at at the vehicle... It is at a church it Will have the basic rules as a normal church... Prefer no cursing but can't stop that.. But deff. No alcohol. No fighting dogs. No dogs in heat to make stud dogs fight. These are just most of them... We are going to get anywhere between 15~25 hogs to keep them all fresh and things so. They Will be anywhere between 100~400lbs hogs. If anything else please let us now the fees Will be....
Pup trial up to a yr. Of age $15
1 dog team $25
2 dog team $40
Also terrier and dachshunds and anything else small like that... Will be $5 a dog up to 5 on a team...
There Will be a entry fee and livestock fee... If you just come and watch no charge of livestock fee. There Will be a concession stand. Playground for the kids and things like that... Ok i Will start talking to the church guys thank you very much..
Entry Will be 3 a person and 10 for livestock for each person entered not dog but person... That covers shots and water for when there... And entry fees go to church as well as the concession and then we will donate some. They Will prob sale shirts and do face painting for kids as well thanks if anyone knows or is interested in being a judge plz let me ok thanks. Spread the word.

[catch dog_30]

You can bring gyps if they are in heat. BUT they have to stay in the truck at all times in case if you find a male dog and a person Wanting to breed with you. It can be done once the competition is over... But they can't compete.. Also if you want to take any of the pigs home after the competition we Will sale them off as well for like 15 bucks or less....

[catch dog_30]

Ok ill change that gyps can compete but Will be the very last dogs to compete... Then after that if you have dogs that you didn't want to enter but want to sale we Will hold a time for that as well to show the dogs and then if someone wants to buy they can or auction it off but we have to get a portion of it.. Otherwise u can go do it else where most the proceeds Will go to the church...

[levibarcus]

This sounds great to me! I go to Cross Country Cowboy Church in Sulphur Springs. Our arena team leader was just saying today that he wanted to put a baying on. When is ya'lls going to be? I definitely want to come and talked to at least a couple other guys that want to come. Just let me know the date and time and I'll sure spread the word!

[Maver!ck]

gyps in heat competing, even if at the end of the event is not a good idea in my opinion.  If you ran the gyp at the end of the one dog event, then had the two dog after that, you run the risk of messing up males in the two dog, or vice versa, end of two dog, then have one dog, etc...  And if you are thinking of running them(1 and 2 dog entries) at the end of all the events, i don't think people will want to wait that long to find out if they won or placed in the event their dog is leading in... A gyp in heat is just something you have to deal with and leave at home in my opinion.

Maver!ck

[Spencer]

gyps in heat competing, even if at the end of the event is not a good idea in my opinion.  If you ran the gyp at the end of the one dog event, then had the two dog after that, you run the risk of messing up males in the two dog, or vice versa, end of two dog, then have one dog, etc...  And if you are thinking of running them(1 and 2 dog entries) at the end of all the events, i don't think people will want to wait that long to find out if they won or placed in the event their dog is leading in... A gyp in heat is just something you have to deal with and leave at home in my opinion.

Maver!ck

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[catch dog_30]

Ok well im glad yall are putting in your ideas i really do... It is a point we didnt want gyps in heat there but seeing others allowing gyps in heat then i was thinking is that to harsh but i guess not... But what if the guys find a male dog they want to breed with and they cant meet up again or what not what is your idea on that... Should they just keep gyps in heat in the truck or box or whatever they bring them in? Or just dont even bring them... Cause i know i cant control everything someone is going to break the rules one way or another i just have a feeling so idk what to think.... But just keep shooting me ideas and if anyone catches pig i.n traps that are between 100~400 let us now and u would be willing to give us some then plz let us know... We dont want any that dogs have already worked we want hogs that have never seen or been worked by dogs at least for the comp..  As long as you are around the wills point and ben wheeler area we can come pick them up just text me or write on here or what not... Or if you catch in the woods and bring out alive we will take them to work our dogs nothing over 300 prefered for that... Nothing less then 75...

[Maver!ck]

no offense in this particular line of response, but knowing that people will try to break rules no matter what shouldn't keep you from making the rule in the first place.  Make the rule and enforce it the best you can, whatever you decide, and stand behind your word.
Whether my opinion is right or wrong or your opinion is right or wrong, you make the rule you feel is best for your baying and enforce the best you can and that's all you can do. 
My personal opinion(for what it's worth) would be that no gyp in heat should be allowed on the grounds.  It's a competition, not a breeding station.  That should be handled at a different time and at the owner or breeder's home, not at public event.  If you allow them to come, then you have to worry about being at the truck, upwind of the baypen and scent carrying to pen while dogs competing, and you can't control the wind or where everyone parks just due to a gyp in heat.    giving you some ideas for arguement sake.

Again - just my opinion,
Maver!ck

[Maver!ck]

Now on to another issue you mentioned.  For the competition, you MOST DEFINITELY want to work the hogs with dogs a few times before you use them in competition, with one exception if you so desire and that would be for tie-breaker type hogs.  
The last thing you want to do is have hogs that are so wild in the pen that they run the entire time trying to figure a way out and have no pen savvy or dog savvy about them.  Again, just my opinion, but trust me, i have been to competitions all over and seen both ends of the spectrum.  More people will appreciate the hogs that have some pen savvy and dog savvy and know the chutes etc.. than hogs that will be running and trying to jump out of the pen and can't get them to run out the exit gates, and so on.
Furthermore, it's not fair to the people who run first few rounds on these hogs, as by the end of the event, those hogs will have settled down and had some 'break in time' and the dogs will have an easier time working them later in the event.
Fine if you want trapped hogs that haven't had dogs hanging on them to catch them initially, but i would suggest getting those hogs in the pen and running them throught he chute system several times to teach them how to get in and out.  And, i would run dogs on them a few times to 'break them in' so to speak.  This will even the playing field for the competitors.  This will also give you an idea of what kind of hogs you have.  You might think that just because a hog is 300#s he would make a good 2-dog hog, but i've seen several that had no heart and would just sit down an get caught by some non-gritty dogs.  And vice versa, you might have a 150# hog that is a bad to the bone 2-dog hog that you thought would only work for a 1-dog event.  You can sort your hogs into event classes and save your rougher/wilder hogs for tie-breaker situations.

Maver!ck

[Maver!ck]

since i'm on a roll here... 

Pen design -
I would suggest making your pen an oval or large circle with a few divots or curved spots along the sides.(like 3-4 divots in a pen that is average of 60-75ft in diameter? - more or less depending on size you choose)  I wouldn't make it a smooth sided circle all the way around.  This gives your hogs a place they feel a little safer to 'bay up' in or back into.  Without some sort of divot or corner, any hog with the desire to run, will not be as likely to stop on a smooth circle pen design, and then you have a lap-hog(couldn't pass up the pun)  One that just laps the pen.  Even a runner will bay up if it has dog pressure and place TO bay up in.  Problem eliminated if you square it off, but then that presents other problems like getting a dog jammed into a corner by a bad hog.  The divots have been the best idea or design that we used successfully at several different competitions we put on.  It's not a true corner, so it allows for escape if a dog gets behind hog.

Maver!ck
kinda getting excited about baypen competition again 

[catch dog_30]

Thanks maverik i sure do appreciate everything really do didnt even think about that... And we were wondering if we need to put things in the arena to have places for the pig to go in and get bayed at... But the pen is the size of a rodeo arena which we can divide but what is your thought on that... But keep shooting the ideas and hints to me... We will deff post everything before the event is set to go and all when we can get a day set all rules will be set as long as we can get some pigs lol.... Thanks again keep it up... Lynsey and Michael with dsk kennels

[Maver!ck]

Well, in our experience we cut the pen down from a normal arena size down to at least 1/2 and maybe down to 1/3 or 1/4 depending on how big the arena is.  I think the cowboy church arena is about the same as the ones we used in the past, so if you did about 1/3, you should be good.  One thing i would put inside the pen would be a big wooden spool or something for the handlers to sit on or behind for some kind of protection against any man-hungry hogs    (and of course i'd offer some 'shields' or boards for pen help and handlers to use)  As long as you put some type of divot along the pen perimeter, the hogs will bay up at those spots if they aren't lap hogs.  And, i would think about how many judges you will have and you will need judges stands or somewhere for them to be elevated(best scenario) either outside edge of the pen or if 1-judge rule, maybe a judges stand in the center.

Really, really, I think the best advice anyone could give you would be for you to attend as many baypen competitions you can between now and when you have yours.  You will see the good and the bad.  You can then get a list of what you like about certain pens and what you don't like and create your gameplan for your competition.  While at the competitions, ask around... hey, how do you like the 1 judge rule? 3 judge rule?  etc.. do you like certain events or classes better than others?   Be honest with them, "i'm thinking about putting on one of these competitions and looking for some suggestions"  You'll get plenty, trust me lol    If you are able to afford a few entries, put some dogs in the competition to support them.  You will get a couple things in return, first - you will get first hand experience as a handler and contestant and see what it is like from that side of the fence, second - by supporting others, you will gain friends and respect and people will want to come to support you as well.(and a possible third return, you might win!!!!)

Maver!ck

[catch dog_30]

Thank u again mav. We plan on attending some just to see what our dogs will do.
. We know they hunt woods and work good in workout pens but dont know bout tht many ppl and them.. So thank you if anything else you or anyone else have to add just put up im open to anything and if u want mav u could help us set it up since u know what ur doing and all... Thanks again...

[Baby Boy Curs]

I have a question when you have this baying are the Hogs teeth going to be dubbed....and what I mean about dubbed is are the teeth going to be rounded at the end so the dogs don't get all cut up.