Birddog/pit cross

[RyanI]

I know lots of guys in Georgia hunt birddog /pit  crosses does anybody in Texas hunt this cross, if so how do you like them.....

[dub]

I know many people like pit crosses but I ain't one of them. Thinking about a bird dog/cur cross I just don't like the personality. I have not seen a bird dog/pit cross at all.

[Florida Curdog]

I would like to try one.

[dan]

It's a common mix around Ga and Fl.  The ones I've seen were extremely high energy run all day dogs.  The excitement level is much like a Jagd.  They were all good hog dogs.  An English PointerXPit is the only dog I've ever seen kill and start to eat another dog in the pen.

[treeingratterrier]

Better dog is a straight American pointer, they bred to wipe out huge pastues searching for quail, why hunt a 1/2 brred dog anyway??  waste of time with the roll of dice to me

[buddylee]

KNIGHTSTOCKTERRIER , What is an American Pointer and what makes breeding a pointer to a pit a gamble ?

[Florida Curdog]

Better dog is a straight American pointer, they bred to wipe out huge pastues searching for quail, why hunt a 1/2 brred dog anyway??  waste of time with the roll of dice to me

Thanks for your input on the subject 

Is that straight pointer gonna catch every 200-300 pound hog it sees by itself ?
I like my curs to have a little bulldog in em. They will back up & bay on a big rank hog alone but it's a done deal when another one gets there or if you get there & tell them to catch it.
I don't want to carry 6-12 dogs to the woods to catch a hog. 2 sometimes 3 is plenty.
The properties we hunt aren't very big & you have to shut them down quick before they hit the next property.  If I had 2 good bulldogs that hunted like curs that's what I would use.
I'm into catching hogs not baying em or running em for miles.

Everybody hunts different. Different places require different types of dogs.
I know them Georgia guys put a lot of swine on the ground with bird/bull crosses.

[treeingratterrier]

KNIGHTSTOCKTERRIER , What is an American Pointer and what makes breeding a pointer to a pit a gamble ?

When you mix up distrinct breeds of dogs you are decreasing the odds of the dogs having the dna it was bred for in the first place, out of a litter of 1/2 breeds you might get all good dogs one litter, next litter you might get all duds and next 50 50 from the exact same pairing. 
American pointer are raised in Ga Fla Miss Ala for plantation huntings of quail over or behind dogs, they use them down here on large ranches, the best strains that are regularly hunted by the millionaires i used to work for were Elhew Pointers, they been bred to whindsheild wipe 1000 acres in a dead run, they are noted by huge giant chests and tiny wasp wasit butts, they will run all day at 5 to 10 in front a quail hunting rig.  I used to kennel over 100 of them for one of the Bass Brothers from Forth Worth on a ranch down at Fal and Premont, they run and run if in shape, they requaltly take bets at $5 a bird killed to see how many the dog can point and find in hot brushy cactysy pastues, they will hunt with bones sticking out and wrecked pads.  President Bush and Dick Chainy hired my neighbors with these dogs to kill lots of quail even when they were scarce.  They will bark on a track a little if started out with hounds but normally are silent on trail, they are dead game on hogs and coon and boncat, they are kinda like a well bred American Foxhund but silent.  They will catch on hogs too  if hunted with hog dogs that will put a mouth on a hog after you get there, the som of ahhh bisquit eaters were hell to keep tuned up as they are a high energy dog in a kennel and always fight like hell, it used to take me 2 weeks to burn there awrse off some so the old fat overweight drunken hunters who came doen to the ranch could keep up with them.  I used get duds and add them to a hogdog pack or a bobcat dog pack, they wont start on boobcats but are one hecka of a jump dog and they will tree in a low mesquite all night if they can see the cat, lots of time they will try to climb a low tree to kill the cat, they are dead game if you get the right strains, most of the duds get shot or given away from the oil people who drink too much for me anymore to fool with.   Plus they are white and easy to see at night when roading dogs, kinda a bulleyes for a hog thoughlol

[treeingratterrier]

If you got lil patches to hunt then i agree, dilute them with a bull dog to slow them down a bunch, i thought you guys might be hunting large palces like 3ooo acres or better and could road dogs all night.  It does sure make a differnece where and what size places you hunt for sure.  Now i get what you are after, you want a dog that can strike and bay or catch, like a cur/pit bull, or pit/hound or even a German Shepard/pit type dog for small places.  It would not make sense to hunt a American Pointer that would end up 2 countys over when he did not find a hog right away.

[Amokabs]

man, in the 60's and 70's my grandaddy  raised some elhew pointers and brotha, you aint kidding. Some of the worse dogfights i ever seen was some of them pointer b!tchesa going at it.

[PigsBGone]

im running a german short haired pointer shes super fast and gritty as can be shes got one hell of a nose on her and she bays for a min then goes straight to catching i would cross her with a pit if anyone is interested

[BobbyB]

I have a Miller x Elhew male Pointer that hunts at nearly 7 mph in a quail pasture. My pointer gyp is Fiddler bred and she runs about 5 1/2 mph. But she will bay the hair off a hog in a pen. I have never taken her to the hoods looking for a hog because she is a good bird dog, but I just believe she would be a good one once she made the switch.

[Bo Pugh]

i use to own two 1/2 birdog and 1/2 pitt i went to georgia and bought them from a guy named gary campell, there called campell currs he told me he started this breed a long time ago kinda like the parker currs, but the 2 i had first time i turned them loose they hit a road and left just road running and would flat run a deer out of the country but i got one straitened out and she turned out to be ok she wasnt the lead dog but would stumble across a hog everynow and them i sold her to a friend she was real gritty and stayed cut up and i culled the other one, but if you like gritty dogs they would probably do you good

[bohog]

best dog i own is a german short hair pointer/bulldog hunts all day tones of bottom you can road hunt, drop her on a track wind off the box she'll do it , caught plenty if big bo hogs with her. this cross is real popular down here in south georgia

[buddylee]

Bobby, You take that pointer and cross it with a true game bred pit that isn't dog aggressive and you will have some bad a## hunting dogs. Imagine the hunt, nose, and endurance of the pointer plus the trailing ability of a pit plus the insane drive of a gamebred pit...
 We refer to the pointer/pit cross simply as bird/bulls. When a litter is made, the pups aren't up for sale very long.

[treeingratterrier]

Hay Mudd, tell about the greyhounds you have, are any of them purebreds and run on hogs, used to be a track down here at corpus christi and we got lots of them for free if they were off or people gave up with them, before the fire ants killed off all of the jacks down here we used to wipe out the rabbits in oat patches with grey hounds and a spotlight, we used to catch so many rabbits and squealing the yotes came out to try to steal the rabbits from the 5 greyhounds we had going, big mistake, we started shiming those stoopid coyotes and the greyhounds streched them out really qucik as they never been run at night by dogs and were dumb for  while.  We were using a dune buggy tube frame with kc daylighters to chase them at night with side dog boxes so the greys could see the coyote or rabbit in th elights and then we dumped on them while moving, bad thing was the dogs never seen a bobwire fence and got cut to heck up a lot and broke legs trying to wrap there mouths around a yotes neck to give em the heave ho!!!!  Tons of fun for sure...

[tnhillbilly]

I will be the first to admit that i dont know squat about bird dogs, but i thought those elhews were english pointers?  I would love to find the right kind of birdog, wanted to try some crosses for a while, just not much of anything around here exept hounds.

I hunted with some bird/bulls a couple times. They were alright, and would catch a few here and there. But are much better suited down south. They aint worth a whole lot in the mtns.

[treeingratterrier]

I will be the first to admit that i dont know squat about bird dogs, but i thought those elhews were english pointers?  I would love to find the right kind of birdog, wanted to try some crosses for a while, just not much of anything around here exept hounds.

I hunted with some bird/bulls a couple times. They were alright, and would catch a few here and there. But are much better suited down south. They aint worth a whole lot in the mtns.

 

I used to know the difference, i think they are all English pointers but the magazine my ranch where i worked got said American Feild on it and we got to always calling them American Pointers since we did not like Englandlol  Both are the same dog, i think one is sometimes a AKC show dog, seems like i remeber looking on registration papers and all is says is Pointer, but its been to long, somebody will know and post up for sure here I bet.  Last dogs I knew of were Pork Roll pupies from Elhew kennels and i think he died right after that, the guy i worked for quit roller chopping finally and I went to another ranch and forgot about them till now to tell the truth, the fire ants killed jacks quail hunting down here in my county, i used to kennel dogs for out of town people during the xmass deer season holidays, we also had a forced bird dog trainer who used a string tied to a dogs toe to make it open its mouth to give the bird on a special table, it was kewl to see dogs that used to run off from there owners after a week of toe training, the dogs would give up the bird and not even crush it like some did we hunted with on the ranch.  Iditos would git mad at there dog and shoot it over a bad restreive or a crushed bird, always from too drinking for sure, i got some of these dogs and pleaded with there owners to not kill the dog and give it to me, thats how i got them in hog or bobcat pack.  I thinking now after typing this that they are actully English now that i have thought about it.