Young baydog catching pic on pg. 3

[BIG CHRIS]

bo pugh not knocking ur methods, but with out those fangs how does that rough dog pull some nutts and rip some ham strings, i like a nutt ripper and a hair puller though!!! or does the rest of there teeth do just fine?

[SouthsFinestFla]

Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard of , we should hunt hogs with sheep than .... If a dog has it in him to catch its in him. dont break him for sell him, trade, or keep him and catch hogs..... Dont cut canines off jus my .02 cents .. sounds like he might bay and catch when U get there aka one dog wonder..

[tmatt]

Ok Bo, are you saying you clip their teeth or cut them out? In your first post you said cut them out and that is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard of. Clipping their teeth is a completely different story. Some police dogs have the tips of their k9 teeth clipped off. It is supposed to.help.with their bite. Mike, it was not a shot at you on being able to train a dog but if someone is really CUTTING a dog's teeth out because they can't get it to stop catching that is pretty dumb.

[BA-IV]

He is talking about clipping the teeth, whether it be flush with the other teeth or clipping a small bit off.  This prevents the dog from running in there catching and holding, but it really prevents dogs from ripping out front shoulders and tearing hogs up.  For people to get on here and call someone ignorant without knowing what they are talking about is really IGNORANT.  I bet y'all don't fuss when a catchdog goes in there and pulls a canine out, y'all let them heal up and use em when you need him again.  The method has been around a long time and if anything it's more humane fir the dogs and hogs. One, the dog is gonna learn he can't catch and hold, so he'll eventually stop, and second when you get to the bay, the hog won't have a front shoulder laying ten feet away.  Lots of DOG MEN not hog hunters, but DOG MEN use this method.

[t.wilbanks]

He is talking about clipping the teeth, whether it be flush with the other teeth or clipping a small bit off.  This prevents the dog from running in there catching and holding,

  I bet y'all don't fuss when a catchdog goes in there and pulls a canine out, y'all let them heal up and use em when you need him again. 

    So your saying that clipping the teeth causes them to not be able to catch and hold, but without canines they can hold just fine?

[T-Bob Parker]

He is talking about clipping the teeth, whether it be flush with the other teeth or clipping a small bit off.  This prevents the dog from running in there catching and holding,

  I bet y'all don't fuss when a catchdog goes in there and pulls a canine out, y'all let them heal up and use em when you need him again. 

    So your saying that clipping the teeth causes them to not be able to catch and hold, but without canines they can hold just fine?

Yep, I know that sounds weird but if you clip a young dogs canines before they're set in their ways it will discourage them from catching. And yes I'm sure plenty of DOG MEN do it, but if your an honest dog man, you'd recognize what you've created and breed away from it. Just like people who don't pay any attention to hooves before breeding horses. JMHO.

[BA-IV]

A dog doesn't need his canines to hold. With that said, a cur dog and a bulldog have two different drives for the most part.  A cur wants to be rough where a bulldog wants to catch, so clipping a curs canines discourages them and for the most part breaks them from being catchy.  They'll pull hair but can't really get a good enough grip to rip a front shoulder out.  Look at this way, you can take a raw steak and bite into with your teeth and you still got a good grip, but if you has long canines you could do the same thing and your cutting the meat with your teeth now making it easier to rip away.  May not be the best example but I been up awhile.

[t.wilbanks]

A dog doesn't need his canines to hold. With that said, a cur dog and a bulldog have two different drives for the most part.  A cur wants to be rough where a bulldog wants to catch, so clipping a curs canines discourages them and for the most part breaks them from being catchy.  They'll pull hair but can't really get a good enough grip to rip a front shoulder out.  Look at this way, you can take a raw steak and bite into with your teeth and you still got a good grip, but if you has long canines you could do the same thing and your cutting the meat with your teeth now making it easier to rip away.  May not be the best example but I been up awhile.

I guess thats true in general between those 2 type of dogs, but in many cases it depends on the dog itself....
Ive had/seen cur dogs that would catch and hold, and have to be broke off a hog, and ive seen pits/bulldogs that just want to bite or get rough with a hog..... oh wait, those were DOGOS!!!!    J/K

To each his own, but IMO, i would rather leave the canines alone... that technique may work to make some dogs stop trying to catch, but for the ones that are gonna be rough no matter what i think its making it harder and more dangerous for them...Because when they do try to catch and cant get a good hold, the hog can just knowck em off and possibly wreck the dog(s).... 

[BA-IV]

I understand what your saying, I do it not to stop them from catching, but to prevent them from tearing hogs up.  I don't need a tore up boar hog that might not live cuz he is all chewed up.  I wish I could find a cur dog that was straight catch, i have had bad luck with bulldogs.

[DangerZone]

Slim, I have been working to make a dog of mine less gritty in the pen and what I've done is tie the hog by the hind leg on one side of the pen (short rope) or on a stake if out side the pen, then i use a 10 ft long lead on my dog hooked on the back of the neck and down the back to his mid section loop under him and back though so when he pulls to hard or i pull on the lead it tightens up on his genitals, when he goes to catch just give a little tug and he'll back up I also use a voice command just before i tug and when i tug on the lead,( works like a shock collar with a warning beep). my male has picked up on it real quick, i almost got him where i can voice command him loose or tight in the pen. this may not work for you but it has for me so far.. Good luck,  this technic is very slimmilar to force breaking a bird dog to retreive when commanded to flush.

i think that some body needs to put a rope around your genitals in the same contraption and send you to work and when you dont do it like they want say something and then pull  like hell then you could see how it feels and you might do what they say but you wont like it very much I think you need another method of training

Cruel as you think it may be,, It's a training method that been around longer than any of us have been,.. I've seen my grandad use it countless times to train a retreiver or bird dog pup to retreive,,  I've never seen or heard of a dog ruined by this BUT I have seen good dogs turned in to culls with shock collar miss use.  (strap a Tri sonic collar on your neck and turn it all the way up),,,  A shock collar or a cinch strap used correctly is FAR less cruel than sending a young untrained dog that has no buisness putting teeth on a big boar off into the wood to see if he can figure it out by trial and error,,  Because error usually ends in injury or death!!!!

[DangerZone]

I have seen livestock,bird dogs and retreivers that had their K9's bobbed so not to damage livestock or game, A dog that has several 100 psi of bitting force doesn't need k9's to get a steer or hogs attention.

[skunkhounds]

and some off you guys wonder why your dogs dont work for ya  as for a catch dog you shouldnt have to lead them any way train them to listen  and not trash let them run  they might find you a pig even

[slimhogdog]

A dog doesn't need his canines to hold. With that said, a cur dog and a bulldog have two different drives for the most part.  A cur wants to be rough where a bulldog wants to catch, so clipping a curs canines discourages them and for the most part breaks them from being catchy.  They'll pull hair but can't really get a good enough grip to rip a front shoulder out.  Look at this way, you can take a raw steak and bite into with your teeth and you still got a good grip, but if you has long canines you could do the same thing and your cutting the meat with your teeth now making it easier to rip away.  May not be the best example but I been up awhile.

I guess thats true in general between those 2 type of dogs, but in many cases it depends on the dog itself....
Ive had/seen cur dogs that would catch and hold, and have to be broke off a hog, and ive seen pits/bulldogs that just want to bite or get rough with a hog..... oh wait, those were DOGOS!!!!    J/K

To each his own, but IMO, i would rather leave the canines alone... that technique may work to make some dogs stop trying to catch, but for the ones that are gonna be rough no matter what i think its making it harder and more dangerous for them...Because when they do try to catch and cant get a good hold, the hog can just knowck em off and possibly wreck the dog(s).... 

This is very true, my buddy had a dang good male cat that was about 90lbs and afraid of no hog. Would try every single hog put in front of him. The only problem is the previous owners dubbed his canines and he couldnt hold them. Didnt stop him from trying though. We almost lost him b/c of this one day, if he would have had the teeth he would have been able to stay hooked on instead he got slung off and wrecked pretty good.

[Reuben]

lol a dog can catch just fine with out canines and if you dont want a catchy dog sale it dont cause it pain to try and get what you want

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[Reuben]

You don't see it a lot any more because most folks kill the hogs. People that used to work hogs would clip the canines flush with the other teeth so the dog wouldn't tear the hogs up.

I have seen a few dogs that way but I wouldn't do it or own one like it. I just don't think it is right and I would get a loose baying dog before I would try that.

[Reuben]

Slim, I have been working to make a dog of mine less gritty in the pen and what I've done is tie the hog by the hind leg on one side of the pen (short rope) or on a stake if out side the pen, then i use a 10 ft long lead on my dog hooked on the back of the neck and down the back to his mid section loop under him and back though so when he pulls to hard or i pull on the lead it tightens up on his genitals, when he goes to catch just give a little tug and he'll back up I also use a voice command just before i tug and when i tug on the lead,( works like a shock collar with a warning beep). my male has picked up on it real quick, i almost got him where i can voice command him loose or tight in the pen. this may not work for you but it has for me so far.. Good luck,  this technic is very slimmilar to force breaking a bird dog to retreive when commanded to flush.

i think that some body needs to put a rope around your genitals in the same contraption and send you to work and when you dont do it like they want say something and then pull  like hell then you could see how it feels and you might do what they say but you wont like it very much I think you need another method of training

JMO, But the dog will learn when he can get rough and when he can't so it would be better to get a different dog if you don't like his style. It is kind of like dogs that have bayed in a pen and won't bay in it after a while but will find and bay hogs in the woods.

[Reuben]

 
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Cruel as you think it may be,, It's a training method that been around longer than any of us have been,.. I've seen my grandad use it countless times to train a retreiver or bird dog pup to retreive,,  I've never seen or heard of a dog ruined by this BUT I have seen good dogs turned in to culls with shock collar miss use.  (strap a Tri sonic collar on your neck and turn it all the way up),,,  A shock collar or a cinch strap used correctly is FAR less cruel than sending a young untrained dog that has no buisness putting teeth on a big boar off into the wood to see if he can figure it out by trial and error,,  Because error usually ends in injury or death!!!!


[/quote]

This method is not cruel and it works, I believe that you are saying that the leash is on the dogs collar and you run the lease along the dogs side and then loop it around the dogs waist and then back thru the leash and it tightens when the dog pulls because it is looped around the dogs waist. I have used this before and it works but there are other methods that I use for training and that is to make the dog obey from a young age...

Example: I used this looping method to train a dog to lead. I switched the dog to a staked out chain for a week and that worked but since have switched again to a leash made of chain (the dog can't chew it up) that I let the dog pull around for several days about an hour a day when I let him out. Once the pup isn't paying it any mind I will play with the pup and then I will pick up the lease and try to let him follow me. If he gets scared and pulls away I will pet it and drop the lead and get the pup to follow me. I will use small treats and he will usually follow right away. We just have to be smarter than the dog.

Having said that there are times when it is better to get a different dog than to try and train what is totally againsts the dogs nature... Like the old saying... You can paint the spots on a leopard but it is still a leopard.

[blakebh]

and some off you guys wonder why your dogs dont work for ya  as for a catch dog you shouldnt have to lead them any way train them to listen  and not trash let them run  they might find you a pig even

You must be using a Dogo!!LOL JK

[jdt]

i usually keep my mouth shut on these deals , but .... i grew up hunting with and using dogs .

now i use dogs catching , gathering cattle and hunting hogs as part of my living . 

 when i first got on this site i thought the rest of ya  grew up somewhat like me .

 i would have never guessed a big part of ya'll would have growed up in town , and got into hog hunting because ...it's the new fad , but  i'll give  you kids some advice ,   just because something don't seem right to  YOUR WAY OF THINKING  .... DONT MEAN CRAP !


APPARENTLY PETA HAS COME UP WITH SOME WILD IDEAS ... WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM  ? ... FROM A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND COMMON SENSE !!!!!!!!

   there are still people that live and work in the real world , and them fellers have forgot more than most will ever know

 if you are lucky enough to know an old time dog man , it'd be a good idea to sit still ,shut up  ....and LEARN . PERIOD

[skunkhounds]

no dogo here all bmc pack rough as they get