bulldogs vs stag hounds

[Circle C]

Seems I read about a hunt just the other day where the guy was using a stag as a catch dog on a xxx# boar. Stag didn't handle the hog, and a good dog got killed. In the same thread the owner of the stag indicated ,if his dogo was on the hunt, the dogo would have been the "deal"... makes you wonder if the dogo had been on the hunt instead of the stag, would the good dog be alive to hunt today?

Based on the post I read, granted I was having trouble with some of the aussie phrases being used, I took it that the stag had plenty of heart, and was trying to do it's job, just couldn't handle the hog and damn near got the owner run over in the process too!

[W-tate]

i never did see where paul posted the weight on that  pig so  how do you know it wasnt 280

[Circle C]

i never did see where paul posted the weight on that  pig so  how do you know it wasnt 280

You are correct, my bad...   I don't know where I came up with the 180#, maybe I confused that with another post... regardless of weight, the answer was still the same. The stag didn't handle what he felt the dogo could.  I am not bashing the stag either, just noting what someone who owns both indicated.

I have run both greyhound and bulldogs, but I didn't feel qualified to speak about a stag personally, as I understand the stags are more hardy than a greyhound. So I took the info from another individual who hunts both.

[TColt]

Circle C- I think that boar was rank enough that he tore up all the cur dogs and backed them off so that stag was holding by himself while he was cut to a point that he almost bleed out (just a cut collar on this hunt). I have hunted behind that dog many times and he is hard as any pit I have seen, I have also hunted behind those cur dogs many times and know that it takes a rank sob to back them off. He is a stag X AB/dogo. Once one of the cur dogs finally grabed aholt to help, it was all over. I also never read anywhere in that thread that the hog was 180 lbs? So Im not really sure where you came up with that 180 lbs figure, maybe you could tell by how big the hogs head was in the picture haha  .

If his dogo would have been there it probably would have been a different story, she would have for sure had a vest on, and has about 20 lbs on that stag cross. Like I said, Im a dogo guy, Im just arguing the facts here. In that thread he said he has caught alot of pigs with two stags and two dogos, my dogo is the other dogo and I wish we had been there too. Probably would have been a way different story with curly and soco on each ear. I have seen the stag and stag cross handle some big rank pigs, this one just got the best of the dogs this time. It can happen with any catch dog.

Lets say he had a fifty pound pit on that ear and his front feet are off the ground, how much more damage do you think would have been done then... it cant be argued that a pit would "hold" this hog better because the stag never let him go. You cant argue physics on it either, the stag is 85 lbs and can keep his feet on the ground on just about any hog.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Breed a good bulldog to a good stag, maybe you will get the best of both 

[TColt]

I think that is what Paul is trying to do with his pure stag and dogo 

[Circle C]

Circle C- I think that boar was rank enough that he tore up all the cur dogs and backed them off so that stag was holding by himself while he was cut to a point that he almost bleed out (just a cut collar on this hunt). I have hunted behind that dog many times and he is hard as any pit I have seen, I have also hunted behind those cur dogs many times and know that it takes a rank sob to back them off. He is a stag X AB/dogo. Once one of the cur dogs finally grabed aholt to help, it was all over. I also never read anywhere in that thread that the hog was 180 lbs? So Im not really sure where you came up with that 180 lbs figure, maybe you could tell by how big the hogs head was in the picture haha  .

If his dogo would have been there it probably would have been a different story, she would have for sure had a vest on, and has about 20 lbs on that stag cross. Like I said, Im a dogo guy, Im just arguing the facts here. In that thread he said he has caught alot of pigs with two stags and two dogos, my dogo is the other dogo and I wish we had been there too. Probably would have been a way different story with curly and soco on each ear. I have seen the stag and stag cross handle some big rank pigs, this one just got the best of the dogs this time. It can happen with any catch dog.

Lets say he had a fifty pound pit on that ear and his front feet are off the ground, how much more damage do you think would have been done then... it cant be argued that a pit would "hold" this hog better because the stag never let him go. You cant argue physics on it either, the stag is 85 lbs and can keep his feet on the ground on just about any hog.

Tcolt,
  If you will look at the thread above yours, you will note that I stand corrected on the weight  

This thread was about bulldogs vs stags, not stags vs 50# pits....    Give me a 85# bulldog any day over an 85# stag.  

[TColt]

I love a good bull dog, but a stag is a much more versatile dog in my opinion. If i was able to hunt strictly lead in cd then I would hunt with a good game bred pit, but thats not the case for me. Im just happy that someone on here is putting a dogo in the bull dog classification! Most people wouldnt tolerate a dogo being in the same classification as their pits or AB's  .

I think you should try hunting with both before you make that statement. When it comes to hog hunting comparing a stag and a greyhound (not saying you compared them, just that you owned one and you should try out a good stag since you obviously see a place for raw speed in a pack) is like comparing apples to oranges just as much as pit to stag.

I still agree with waylon though, good bull breed to good stag is gonna be a bad sob!

[djhogdogger]

I live here in  southeastern oklahoma and everybody I know uses bulldogs or something with bulldog in the mix. And then i read where people use staghounds to catch and I am wondering why is that. The stag hound is much taller than the bulldog and it would seem to be in a disadvantage being tall than the bulldog. just wanting to hear the goods and bad of use the bulldog vs the stag hound.

You can't really judge a breed by one dog, but the only stag hound (type) dog I have ever seen on a hog, left me thinking that I made the right descision with my bulldogs. The stag hound doesn't seem to have a solid hold like a pit but like I said, you can't judge an entire breed based on one dog, so I could be wrong in my judgement but that is where I stand as of now.

[treeingratterrier]

I guess it would depend if the stag locks up and holds the hog or  candyawsres it and bites it and lets it go over and over to cut up bay dogs and charge the dog owner who is walking  up to stab, tie or shoot the hog.  I would not waste the time of day unless it was a solid nut, shoulder or ear locking up stag, there are too many good lines of pit bull dogs who will shut a rank boar down like a pit on each ear left and right and one on each front shoulder or back leg or balls waiting for you to come release them after tying stabin or shootin the boar.  As far as coyote dogs go a pit bull will run down and catch a yote too if you are hunting huge open areas, stag or pitbull wont run any yote in the brush down here for sure.  Apples and Oranges, I rather have a bulldog in red or orange than a stag anyday if the stag is a Aussie type turn it loose type like seen on TV latelylol

[t.wilbanks]

I think you should try hunting with both before you make that statement. When it comes to hog hunting comparing a stag and a greyhound (not saying you compared them, just that you owned one and you should try out a good stag since you obviously see a place for raw speed in a pack) is like comparing apples to oranges just as much as pit to stag.

Ok, im trying to get this figured out....

"Curly" is  a 1/4 ab and 1/4 dogo - so he cant  be used as a representation for a stag... So ofcourse you cant compare him to a greyhound ( or even a full blood stag for that matter )

Now i believe Paul does have a full blood stag... it would have been interesting to see how it would have handled that same hog...

But that does clear it up for me.... even a lil DOGO in a dog will have a negative effect....       J/K!

[uglydog]

But that does clear it up for me.... even a lil DOGO in a dog will have a negative effect....       J/K!

Trenton, you are hillarious!

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Big difference between a straight Stag and a Stag crossed with some type of bull dog.

I needed two catch dogs on that boar. Curly handled him very well and never lost his feet after he was caught and the hog never touched him after he was caught. A rank boar in the shinnery is a nightmare for a catch dog and handler both.

There are a lot of differant ways to catch hogs, and in my country we need leggy holding dogs with speed and bottom. The Stag, Stag cross and Dogo is working very well for me.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

There are a lot of differant ways to catch hogs, and in my country we need leggy holding dogs with speed and bottom. The Stag, Stag cross and Dogo is working very well for me.

So the Cats are just not getting it done?  J/K  Paul.   

I follow you totally, I think !

[hogslayer6]

booboo tellem pits are the way hahahahaha!!!!! i think the best catch dog is the one hangin off the nasty daddy didn't marry mommys head!!

[t.wilbanks]

booboo tellem pits are the way hahahahaha!!!!! i think the best catch dog is the one hangin off the nasty daddy didn't marry mommys head!!

   I would, but then i see Cody put Sarge on a hog and it makes me wonder if might have alittle dogo in him....   
I will say this, that pit right there is the meanest bay dog ive ever seen!!!!   

[coyote hunter]

I dunno what kind of yotes y'all have but outs will flat leave a pit on the open field run. There's a Guy here who uses bulldog stag crosses. They're pretty good. Skinny bodies and meatier heads. Still ill take ab pit or dogo.  That's right I put Soho with bulldogs. I do wanna hunt behind a dogo one day.

[LateBacon]

Simple as this.
Bulldog Pros: They are amazing catch dogs and will go in and get a hold on the hear thats unbelivably strong, you only need one dog to do it and some bulldogs can even have a hot nose and the endurance to be a running catch dog.
Cons: Most tire out pretty quickly, and because they are just so prey driven they dont care if they run into a whole mob of hogs they just go in and catch a god and this drive ends up killing them or getting them cut alot.
 
Stag hound pros: Fast and gritty with an ok nose and they are talle enough to keep away from a hogs teeth. They have amazing endurance and they don't need a break stick all the time.
Cons: SOME of them arent as gritty as they need to be to catch a hog they are not nearly as powerful as a bulldog and their bite sometimes doesnt quite keep a hog down due to it being more nimble.
 
I say go with a standard bulldog/pitbull (people both call them bulldogs) or a cross of that with a cur and a hound. I have a American bulldog mix with a black mouth cur thats best catch dog a man could ask for. Runs them down tracks them and catches them. But the cur in him gives him the smarts not to run straight into a 500 pound hog alone.

[uglydog]

See yall are not comparing apples to oranges at all.  A catch dog that will be "Smart enough NOT TO CATCH" a 500 lb  hog alone is NOT a catch dog.
I have heard people reference "catch dogs" as gritty lately? I am thinking WHAT THE HELL?

I guess some people posting on here call a dog that grabs and holds when it can or when it wants to, or when it has help a catch dog?

It ain't a catch dog in my book if it decides to wait for help because its too big in my book of definitions.

I can catch alot of hogs with my cur dogs but that don't make them catch dogs, it just means they are gritty.

[djhogdogger]

See yall are not comparing apples to oranges at all.  A catch dog that will be "Smart enough NOT TO CATCH" a 500 lb  hog alone is NOT a catch dog.
I have heard people reference "catch dogs" as gritty lately? I am thinking WHAT THE HELL?

I guess some people posting on here call a dog that grabs and holds when it can or when it wants to, or when it has help a catch dog?

It ain't a catch dog in my book if it decides to wait for help because its too big in my book of definitions.

I can catch alot of hogs with my cur dogs but that don't make them catch dogs, it just means they are gritty.

X2...I do not consider it a bad thing that my bulldog will go in with out a second thought and catch and hold to the end even if its the size of an elephant. VooDoo is a little crazy and I like it that way.