Question...#2

[Mike]

I hear all the time how well bred pups, started dogs or even older, solid, strike dogs that are sold can be ruined by their handler.

What are some things these handlers do to ruin these dogs?

[OCD]

i think to much hitting on a dog is a bad thing. disapline is fine just dont over do it is my thought.

[arrowbar]

I have seen some be rough with the dogs and cause them to shut down. I have taken a few from some friends who were like this and it took time to let them break out of it.

[BIG BEN]

 First thing that comes to mind is the trusty shock collar, 90% of people do NOT know how to train with one, 2nd people do not give a dog enough time to adjust to them, I say give a dog atleast a month to adjust to you before making an opinion/evaluation of the dog.  

[BA-IV]

I think it has a lot to do with someone not knowing how to read a dog.  If the dog ain't hunting for you, maybe more people should sit back and think, "what am I doing wrong, could I be part of the problem".  I'm all for culling hard, but some people expect to much from a puppy or put them in situations they aren't ready for mentally or physically, puppy wise anyways.  It's more of a waiting game than anything to me.

Now started dogs, e collars do damage when someone ain't using them right.

Finished dogs- cant touch this one, not enough experience under my belt.

[crackerc]

Okay, you asked! The number one thing I see guys do that ruins a dog is rough handle one...especially a pup. Now I will get after a dog that really needs it, but I allow a little individual expression too. Monkey hates people and won't let another strange dog in the box with him. I tolerate that, instead of beating on him for it, as he consistently finds hogs for me about everywhere I put him down. He is kind of high strung ( as are some of his pups) and they just won't tolerate a rough hand. It would ruin them.

And you have to be smarter than the dog.....

Some guys are dog guys and some guys are not... and never will be, no matter how many dogs they own. Just like some guys are natural on a horse and some guys will never be good on a horse.................

[Reuben]

And you have to be smarter than the dog.....

Some guys are dog guys and some guys are not... and never will be, no matter how many dogs they own. Just like some guys are natural on a horse and some guys will never be good on a horse.................

over training in the pen. letting the pups bay too often for too long.

Calling the dog to you so you can beat/correct it.

Losing you temper around the dog and then taking it out on the dog.

Not consistant in training/discipline.

hunting too fast on the four wheeler and not paying attention to the dogs.
The dogs are smelling hog but you keep moving which teaches the pups to want to keep up with the 4 wheeler and not work out the track.

Pups first time in the woods and he gets hammered with the e-collar for running a deer. The pup quits hunting because anytime he gets away from the master in the woods he gets a bad pain in the neck so he quits hunting. The pup associates the pain with ranging out to hunt and not just running deer, so the pup quits hunting.

SOMETIMES IT IS NOT WHAT WE DO WRONG AS HANDLERS... BUT IT IS WHAT WE DON'T DO RIGHT AS HANDLERS...

[Peachcreek]

I have been told on more than one occasion I treat my dogs too good, like pets. I have hunted with a couple jam up dogs that are house dogs by day, hog dog by night. Peaches come to mind owned by cull buck... I have been trying to correct this problem in myself for the last few months.

[Tusk Hog]

  Taking them home then not continuing hunting a regular schedule or taking a good dog and hunting it with a bunch of trash they think is good. Either can sure contribute to the ruin of a good one.

[SCHitemHard]

man im hard on my dog sometimes but all i do is yell, ive NEVER and i repeat NEVER put my hands on a dog as punishment

i can walk my dog without a leash and if he gets on someone all i do is say "HEY!" and he will come right back and sometimes i even reward him for it so he knows not to be like that, so my answer is bein to hard on a dog

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Putting a dog on the end of a chain and talk bout how good of a hog dog he is until they take him off at 2yrs old and are pissed cause he just looks at em in the woods.  Put your time into your pups! If no go then C.U.L.L.

[ole shep]

What Rueben said.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Ruben has stated some of it, but I'll make it real simple for everyone to grasp. 

BE CONSISTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't send mixed messages. 

To me, that is generally the problem.   

[Bryant]

Both of these things are probably more as a result of the way I require my dogs to hunt, but two things that I've witnessed as hindering to a young dog are:

#1 - Spending the first year of a pups life petting and playing with it...basically conditioning it to stay near you, and then taking it to the woods at a year old and not being able to figure out why it won't get out from under your feet.  When a well bred pup hasn't been treated this way, it has no desire to hang around when it's time to work.  I like my dogs to have a lot of independance and not necessarily look to me for guidance.

#2 - Dumping a dog out of the box and taking off on a four wheeler or even by foot.  When I hunt, I usually stay put and I expect my dogs to move out and cover a lot of ground without me pushing them to do so.  Again, mostly due to style of hunting.

[chainrated]

Stupidity- Ego, whatever you want to call it is the main thing that will set a good dog way back. I'm not gonna say Ruin one becasue I believe a dog that has that "want to" can come back around if put in the hands of the right person. I've heard quiet a few idiots get around a group of people and start telling that story about how they "tied their dog to a tree" and beat it almost to death because of something the dog did 30 minutes ago, usually for running a deer ,etc.. You have 3 seconds to correct a dog for doing something you don't want it to do, 3 SECONDS. After that the dog has no idea what it's getting punished for.. I've seen a few very good dogs get set back because of this kind of stupidity..  AND if you are dumb enough to tie your dog to a tree and beat on it don't be also dumb enough to think telling that to people is gonna make you look like some kind of big shot, all you do is show your ignorance..
A dog will want to please you not because he fears you but because he respects you..

[blakebh]

Putting a dog on the end of a chain and talk bout how good of a hog dog he is until they take him off at 2yrs old and are pissed cause he just looks at em in the woods.  Put your time into your pups! If no go then C.U.L.L.

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[coyote hunter]

May I add a question?  I have two yella gyp pups bout 6 months old. They have interest in hogs but do not just go bay with the big dogs. Wuts the best next step in getting em going.

[chainrated]

Give em a little more time. There is a world of difference in a 6 month old pup and a 10 month old pup or a year old..

[coyote hunter]

Should I let em bay around the pen? And as for hard on dogs. The only time mine get a whooping is when they trash. I let em know that's not acceptable by no means. I don't see any other reason. If my wife would let me I'd have ten house dogs LOL.

[Reuben]

Should I let em bay around the pen? And as for hard on dogs. The only time mine get a whooping is when they trash. I let em know that's not acceptable by no means. I don't see any other reason. If my wife would let me I'd have ten house dogs LOL.

10-4  let them bay around the pen. The pup will let you know when they want in with the dogs that are baying in the pen.