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« on: June 07, 2011, 09:26:20 pm » |
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Running Hogs!!! These questions are just topics of good discussion, there's no right or wrong answers... so nobody get wadded up over it.  From reading on the net and talking to fellow hog hunters, you hear more and more about hogs running these days. Places that used to be easy to catch hogs on, I know I have several. Why do y'all think that is... Just the pressure of running dogs alone, hogs learning to run to survive... deer don't stop and bay. Dogs that run them a few minutes and quit... hogs learn they can get away. Rough dogs chewing on their butts... I'd run to if something bit me on the butt.  Loose dogs not putting teeth on a hog, but running it for hours. |
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BIG BEN
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 09:32:01 pm » |
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Its the russian coming out in em, lol JK. I believe its the rough dogs educating the hogs to run. Also(I know there will be some arguments on this) but the worst thing that happen was the use of Catch dogs. Im sure in the pioneer days they had some slip away on a hog drive but then and now are two different worlds. Also everyone and their momma is in the woods chasing these hogs and the hunting pressure is crazy, atleast it is in my area.
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« Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 09:37:57 pm by BIG BEN »
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
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Reuben
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 09:38:43 pm » |
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Running Hogs!!! Dogs that run them a few minutes and quit... hogs learn they can get away. Rough dogs chewing on their butts... I'd run to if something bit me on the butt. x2 Hogs learn they can get away... I also believe evolution. In this case the easy ones get caught and the ones who stop to fight get caught and the ones who run before the dogs can get there to keep them bayed or caught will live to breed another day and mother nature does not make mistakes when culling. If a species can't adapt it becomes extinct and the hogs aren't going anywhere any time soon. |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Mike
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 09:41:25 pm » |
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Reuben, I'm with you on that. No matter what we throw at them, the hogs learn to survive.
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Cutter Bay Kennels
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 09:43:45 pm » |
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Mike, This is a great question. I'll make sure to ask Jesus when I make it to Glory.  |
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"To me it is not always about the game you caught, but the memories you can't let go of. " Josh Farnsworth |
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Reuben
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 09:47:32 pm » |
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Mike, Seems like they just get smarter and faster. And the hogs breeding 3 times and having 5 to 9 pigs each time in a year, the cream just comes to the top a little faster.   |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2011, 09:54:22 pm » |
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Open trailing dogs!
HERE!!! I mean what? |
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"To me it is not always about the game you caught, but the memories you can't let go of. " Josh Farnsworth |
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TShelly
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2011, 09:57:26 pm » |
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Dogs without much bottom starting and not finishing tracks!
I certainly agree with Rueben on evolution and Darwinism!!!!
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Get ahead dog!
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ETHHunters
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2011, 10:10:14 pm » |
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Cutter you know if you had some of these silent trailing dogs you would have done cleared the hogs out of Florida!
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Cutter you know if you had some of these silent trailing dogs you would have done cleared the hogs out of Florida!
Not me. I'm too fat an sorry to hunt year-round in this Florida heat. |
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I always wonder about running hogs. They learn andget smart I agree but when I first started hunting I had a little honey hole and I could bay up groups. Well could shoot a hog or two and it didn't even seem to bother them. Then as we started catching hogs with catch dogs and going a little more the hogs got less confident and would split up and run so there may be something to the catch dog thing. I also can't explain why some people that catch hogs and cut them and release them sometimes catch the same hog without a long race. Maybe it was a dumb hog? I think you could start the same hog 10 different times he may bay 2-4 out of those times. Sometimes you get em in the right mood and they just want to fight. There is no rhyme or reason. As long as their are hogs there will be some that stand and take it and others that run. I like to nurture the first kind and kill the latter |
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Im with Tshelly....Dogs with NO BOTTOM teach hogs to just keep running because pretty soon that dog will quit chasing me!!! Forget a dog with alot of range. I want one with all day bottom..
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Mike it is your dogs that make them run I like to hunt with many people in different areas. I don't think there is an answer. I think n some area you need a different style. I also think it depends on how the dogs work together. I just hot a place last night that my cur dog could not stop a single pig. So next time I will take my cat next time because they have completely different styles. If there was an answer all the wild hogs would be caught. |
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Where we hunt there is pressure from dogs but also a lot of pressure from hunters that ride around looking for hogs to shoot. I believe that the hogs that run, survive and then produce babies that run also. It doesn't take hogs long to adapt. If you hunt them a lot during the day, they become nocturnal and vice versa. They also have been seen walking right past a trap full of corn after a few hogs have been trapped. Boars that have been caught by dogs and then barred and released are harder to catch. They also are known for being dog smart. Hogs are smart and they are survivalists. |
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gary fuller
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i agree with alot of whats been posted on this so far. i also have another idea that may or may not be happening and that is the runners who escape teachin other hogs to run and also runners teaching their babies to run so much to the point that it may be becoming a genetic trait in some hogs. personally i dont see catch dogs causing runners as we pretty much kill every single hog we catch. so if they are dead they cant show other to run lol. i do agree with the hogs in general becoming leery of dogs as some will run soon as they smell or see a dog anywhere. same as some hogs get to where they run the minute they see vehicles or headlights or even hear a motor. but we still do manage to get alot of hogs that we catch within 100 yards of the very first bark.
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gary fuller
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sorry dj, i had missed what you wrote and basically copied part of what ya said,lol.
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Reuben
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years ago my brother and I built a nice bay pen and it was all growed up in it. We had 10 week to 12 week old pups that needed to be started on knowing what a pig was.
We had 3 or 4 shoats that looked feral and these shoats were noisy and would run a litle and stop and the pups bayed and caught. This routine never changed until we quit using thse shoats because they wouldn't run far.
A few weeks later we aquired 3 or 4 shoats that were striped and looked to have a lot of russian in them. These shoats wouldn't make any noise and would run, stop and listen, and got caught once or twice. After that these shoats would stop and listen and when the pups started trailing these shoats ran to the other side of the pen and would stop and wait and listen. When the pups trailed up near theshoats they broke and ran to the other side. The pups took a while to finally catch them with a little help from us.
It seems to me that the russian blood makes them want to run more.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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TexasHogDogs
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I think it is a little bit of all of what you said Mike.
But I believe more so it is the culling of weaker hogs leaving alot of the stronger hogs to live and breed. It only goes to reason anytime you have a culling program the animals are going to get better and better at what they do, ain't that what we the hunters are doing and now look what we have. Running , long winded, fighting bad mojo's!!!! Just Mother Nature at her best with our help is all it is ! That's hard to beat !
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bailey508
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i agree with everything posted...im just gonna add to it...I know some guys that catch hogs, tie their dogs up, and let the hogs go so they can "catch em again". its not that i neccesarily have a problem with this, but they dont barr em or anything. in my opinion, they are just educating them. jmo
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