silent or open?????

[noelle]

although ive never cared for or used a open mouth dog, ive often wondered if a semi open dog mite be better for runnin young dogs with? after they are bayin and ready for the woods would an open dog barkin on track a little get their attention and get the pups goin to them and get them goin to the where the hogs are and catch on? i dont mean a wide open dog or a trashy one but a good solid hog dog thatll bark on track a little and draw the younger ones out to the chase instead of just to a bay...just sounds logical but would it make the pups open too? in reality hogs arent dumb and have a good nose eyes and ears, they know when a dog is on their tail whether its barkin or not, ive never ran an open dog so was just wanting some opinions on it

[djhogdogger]

  I don't care much for open dogs but you bring up a good point. A semi open dog may get a young dog going. But as far as a hog knowing when a dog is coming, Im not sure about that. We have walked right up on a sleeping hog and it never knew we were there because they sleep hard. If  a hog is layed up sleeping, I think that a silent dog is going to get a better jump on him. If the wind is in your favor, you can also slip up on foraging hogs because they are kinda noisy themselves. But an excited open dog can ruin a sneak attack in my opinion. Now before all of the hound guys attack me, let me also state that I know that open dogs find and catch hogs every day. This is simply my take on it. 

[noelle]

i know what u mean, i never really used a sneak approach i dont walk much im kinda lazy lol  but as a whole it just seems kinda logical from the training point of view... you know cody and heath?

[djhogdogger]

i know what u mean, i never really used a sneak approach i dont walk much im kinda lazy lol  but as a whole it just seems kinda logical from the training point of view... you know cody and heath?

Oh, heck no, no walking here.  I just meant that if we could sneak up on a hog, Im pretty sure that a dog could also.    Yea, I know Cody and Heath......I just dont admit it very often. 

[noelle]

haha my dogs wont sneak they hit the woods wide open they hear em comin im sure, there pretty rough tho at least    i known cody and heath a while... cody use to hunt with me down in winnie before he ever got his own dogs even, pretty good feller most of the time lol suppose to hunt with me fri nite havent seen him in a few months

[djhogdogger]

haha my dogs wont sneak they hit the woods wide open they hear em comin im sure, there pretty rough tho at least    i known cody and heath a while... cody use to hunt with me down in winnie before he ever got his own dogs even, pretty good feller most of the time lol suppose to hunt with me fri nite havent seen him in a few months

 Yea, its been about a month since we have hunted with Cody and about a week since we have hunted with Heath. THey are crazy but will give you the shirt off their backs without hesitation. We been hunting with them for a couple of years now. I give them heck but they are good guys.

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

If you where just running a semi open dog with just pups that may work, But with that said if there where other dogs in the pack may pull them off of what they where on. JMO most open or semi open dogs are of the the hound class and move a track some what slower than just a plain cur. Exept for the running type hounds that yote and cat people use.As far as sneaking up on hogs I have jump beded hogs and feeding hogs if they are going to run that is just what they are going to do if they are going to stay put that is what they are going to do.

[noelle]

Ya rocking p that's what I was Gettin at, a slower Runnin hound that wouldn't leave the pups in the dust and that would bark and draw them out to it, for pups and trainin purposes is what I'm talkin about, not a pack of open hounds or Runnin open dogs with older dogs

[ole shep]

Open because I got enough country for it. If i was hunting smaller places I coud not afford this luxury.

[noelle]

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 Yea, its been about a month since we have hunted with Cody and about a week since we have hunted with Heath. THey are crazy but will give you the shirt off their backs without hesitation. We been hunting with them for a couple of years now. I give them heck but they are good guys.
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I stopped hunting the rice fields about 3yrs ago and they were just startin to get sum dogs together then...haven't seen them much since then, They came huntin at my place couple months ago they had some decent little dogs looked like... Lookin forward to huntin with cody Tomorro nite and do sum catchin up lol

[noelle]

Ever noticed a hound makin cur pups open shep?

[sterling]

I like em silent. I prefer to hunt on foot and was walking with my buddies' rcd when we stumbled upon a 200+ lb boar in some heavy brush.  About 150 yards away at the same time a dog opened up on a track and the rcd took off immediately.  Needless to say I was left staring at the boar with nothing to do except slowly back away.

[Miller Lite]

I only like my Coondogs open everything else better shut up until its lookin at a hog i dont like any of that babblin crap if i hear my dogs they better not be lying

[TexasHogDogs]

I don't know what you call it but all my dogs chirp soon as they hit a track then go silent till the are facing the hog then all hell breaks loose .  If the hog breaks they will go to chirping as long as they can see the hog then if the hog gets out of there site they will go silent again.  I myself like this that way I know what is going on and which way they are headed.

I will not hunt my dogs with open mouth are even semi open mouth dogs cause all my dogs have some hound in them which is plott some have half some have less and it don't take much to make one go to opening up all the time .  I will pick my dog up immediately if somebody's dogs go to opening up . I had a great little plott dog that was silent most his life then I made the mistake of hunting him with a open  mouth type of dog and he was never the same my fault and it was a lesson learned for me a big big one !

[TShelly]

I think being open helps the younger dogs. It definitely easier to get them started that way.. Almost all of the dogs we hunt are open, REAL open  but they're cur dogs not hounds and their speed make up for their mouths because we still catch hogs! I don't agree that it makes a puppy more silent or more open though, it's bred into them..because we still raise silent dogs that grow up hunting with these mouthy ass crows !

[noelle]

im not talking about hunting open mouth dogs im talking about usin them from a pup training perspective

[noelle]

I like em silent. I prefer to hunt on foot and was walking with my buddies' rcd when we stumbled upon a 200+ lb boar in some heavy brush.  About 150 yards away at the same time a dog opened up on a track and the rcd took off immediately.  Needless to say I was left staring at the boar with nothing to do except slowly back away.

I think id b lookin for a new (rcd) if i was on top of a hog and he ran to another dog for any reason lol  another reason i dont believe in rcds, catch dogs belong on a leash till ur lookin at the hog in my opinion.. sounds like it was a help dog that is just use to goin to a bay but thats another topic all together no offense meant, lol you were wide open for it i couldnt resist

[Miller Lite]

I like em silent. I prefer to hunt on foot and was walking with my buddies' rcd when we stumbled upon a 200+ lb boar in some heavy brush.  About 150 yards away at the same time a dog opened up on a track and the rcd took off immediately.  Needless to say I was left staring at the boar with nothing to do except slowly back away.

I think id b lookin for a new (rcd) if i was on top of a hog and he ran to another dog for any reason lol  another reason i dont believe in rcds, catch dogs belong on a leash till ur lookin at the hog in my opinion.. sounds like it was a help dog that is just use to goin to a bay but thats another topic all together no offense meant, lol you were wide open for it i couldnt resist

hell whatever you gotta do to catch hogs

[noelle]

catching hogs is main objective, feedin a few dogs thatll do it all is the second... cant afford to feed a help dog or rcd never had a use for em and never will... but thats just me... back on topic tho, i dont think its that bad an idea to put pups with an open mouth dog to show them the ropes, i never have but i can see the benefits kinda??

[Reuben]

cold nosed open mouthed hound that opens on cold tracks that the cur pups do not smell or get excited about IMO will teach the pups to not go to a barking dog after a few times of what they percieve is a lying dog...The hound is smelling and trailing a hog but the pups aren't.

I can see where a semi open dog that opens a little on a super hot track or opens a little with excitement when the hog breaks bay can help the pups to get started. The big dogs are calling the pups so to speak.

I am with TexasHogDogs. I like a dog that barks 2 or 3 times when he locates a good track and then shuts up. This calls the other dogs to him. When the hog breaks the dogs open some and then shut up even open a little every now and then is ok for me.