Blue Pits

[UNDERDOG]

....Damm phone ....we got two in the trucks with us now some folks don't understand gamedogs or the true meaning and use the term too loosely...not understanding is not a bad thing but I think anyone who is a fancier of Apbt's should study the history real good. Imo

[ETHHunters]

....Damm phone ....we got two in the trucks with us now some folks don't understand gamedogs or the true meaning and use the term too loosely...not understanding is not a bad thing but I think anyone who is a fancier of Apbt's should study the history real good. Imo

I know back in the older days the only way to test gameness was in the box. But now a days you can't do that so I think people look for different ways to test gameness. Gameness to my understanding is the willingness to never quit no matter what so I can kind of see why people think catchdogs are game.

[TColt]

There is no true way to test gameness except in a controlled environment like a pit. Some dogs in pits are fast finishers, this does not mean they are game. Just because the dog is a champion does not mean the dog is game. Gameness is the will to keep going even when the chips are down, to put it simply. A good dogmen will usually count his losses on the money and pull a truly game dog from the fight to use him/her for breeding. I dont know anything about recessive jeans or pretty colors or anything, but I do know that I cant think of one blue dog that was famous in the pit. From what I understand, comparatively speaking, blue is a new color.

It would be very hard to find the money to buy a good tested truly game pit. Usually money cant buy these dogs. Their pups however are a different story, and thats where the word "game bred" comes from. It doesn't mean the dog is for sure game, but it does, or is supposed to, mean the dog comes from a game dog. This gives you a CHANCE at getting a game dog.

[ETHHunters]

I agree Colt. You can have a catchdog that is game BRED but not a catchdog that is game it just wont work.

[UNDERDOG]

Here is one im useing now ....he's not permanent just a temp  from the temp agency  

[Broadhead12]

The "blue" coloration comes from the American Staffordshire Terrior which was bred to the APBT for larger size and more legs all for the looks purposes. Thus is why most blues are over 50#s and not the 40# game dogs. This is also why a "blue" dog typically is not GAME.
After saying this my top male is CD is blue and my best female is blue fawn, but I like a 60# lock it down full of heart pit and these can be found in any color.

[Reuben]

as law abiding citizens no one in the USA can test their dogs for gameness. The gameness I am talking about are from the old time hard core dogmen who pitted their dogs. This is the ultimate test for gameness.

We need to be able to find APBT dogs that are tried and tested for not backing down from any hog and to have courage. I am sure we have breeders doing this already but we need to be able to go to a registry and find these breeders any time we need a working pitbull pup...Years ago we could find a pit that worked but now I think that the percentage of pits that work as catch dogs is still good but not as high as years ago. I think that part of the reason is that the pits from nowadays are far removed from the proven gamedogs of long ago.JMO

I remember the blue pits as not being around that long. Don't know where the blue color came from but I am "ASSUMING" from wiemeraner or blue dane. Anyway, they were high dollar for awhile with the backyard breeders. Red nose pits were popular before the blue pits. And we know what happens to most breeds when they become too popular. When a breed is not popular and doesn't bring a profit then only the breeders that care about the breed are breeding these dogs and this ensures a higher quality in that breed of dog. These are my observations and opinions.

[Reuben]

The "blue" coloration comes from the American Staffordshire Terrior which was bred to the APBT for larger size and more legs all for the looks purposes. Thus is why most blues are over 50#s and not the 40# game dogs. This is also why a "blue" dog typically is not GAME.
After saying this my top male is CD is blue and my best female is blue fawn, but I like a 60# lock it down full of heart pit and these can be found in any color.

Broadhead12,

You were posting when I was otherwise I wouldn't of been assuming on the blue color...I am at work so takes me a little longer to post.

[redcur]

Underdog you was right them 2 blues could be twinky's.

[tmatt]

Gameness- Willingness to continue the task at hand until completed no matter how tired or how much damage/punishment has been taken.
Reuben, your right as law abiding citizens we are not able to purposely test the gameness of our dogs. However, I will guarantee that any pup from my dogs, if allowed to mature first, will be Game. If any of them stop for any reason bring them back or cull them and I will replace them. I have had to replace a few over the years since there is not a line out there that produces 100% gameness, and I have no problem with that. My Redboy dogs produce about 95-96% game dogs and to me that is an acceptable percentage.

Big Chris, I hate to break the news to you but Avant dogs are not game dogs. The Almonds stuff is coming from the Ch. Alligator stuff and they do come game. I have been breeding blacks, buckskin, whites, reds, and bundles for about 15 years and have yet to get a blue dog out of any of my dogs. For many years the blue coloration was considered a fault in APBTs. For some reason that has been changed just like the breed standard has been changed to include the big dogs.

[tmatt]

If you want to know if a blue dog can make a catch dog then the answer is yes if you just wanna know about blue dogs do some research and you will figure it all out. If you decided to research them don't do it by asking blue dog breeders questions.

[BIG CHRIS]

No where did i say that the avant line i used in this cross was a game bred line of dogs! But with in the line of avant dogs that were used they were also benedict and bismark ancestors. my point being in all this is color dnt mean jack. But if u break it dwn breed a dog with desired traits to another dog that posses the same desired traits if either dog was blue or green to another dog that is purple or pink and the out come was a zebra striped hard mouthed stay caught for 10 mins or an hour on 300 lb dog wrecking machine was that dog not bred for gameness to accel at the task it was given? Why cant blue dogs that a man crosses for those same standards be bred for gameness? All these old bloods that are spoken of today no longer exist it is left up to us work with and creat better dogs for tomorrow wether there blue or not. I say if u got a blue and he catches hard fast and true use him breed him and make it better so what if does`nt carry old game bred dogs lineage if u bred to be game and sound at his job u got urself a back yard game bred catch dog. Thats my  .02!

[tmatt]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You say these old bloodlines don't exist anymore, well when your ready to see a double bred grandson of Gr. Ch. Mayday, or a great grand son of both Bb Red and Gr. Ch Banjo, or even a grand daughter of Ch. Jeep, just let me know. I have the old bloodlines and will have them for a long time. Maybe that is why I have a problem with all of these "gamebred" blue dogs.

[UNDERDOG]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You say these old bloodlines don't exist anymore, well when your ready to see a double bred grandson of Gr. Ch. Mayday, or a great grand son of both Bb Red and Gr. Ch Banjo, or even a grand daughter of Ch. Jeep, just let me know. I have the old bloodlines and will have them for a long time. Maybe that is why I have a problem with all of these "gamebred" blue dogs.

X 2,X 2...perfectly said.

[Scott]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You say these old bloodlines don't exist anymore, well when your ready to see a double bred grandson of Gr. Ch. Mayday, or a great grand son of both Bb Red and Gr. Ch Banjo, or even a grand daughter of Ch. Jeep, just let me know. I have the old bloodlines and will have them for a long time. Maybe that is why I have a problem with all of these "gamebred" blue dogs.

x3

[chainrated]

All these old bloods that are spoken of today no longer exist it is left up to us work with and creat better dogs for tomorrow wether there blue or not.

Not only do they still exist but there are certain people who have a yard full of dogs bred directly off those old bloodlines..
A dog that will catch a hog is not necessarily a "gamedog" that's why there are people who have blue dogs that work perfectly fine for catchdogs along with a lot of other color bulldogs and also different types of dogs such as dogos and american bulldogs that will work as catchdogs.. They will work as catch dogs  but they are not necessarily game in the true sense of the word.. I would say 95% of the dogs being used for catchdogs are not game..

[HS]

All these old bloods that are spoken of today no longer exist it is left up to us work with and creat better dogs for tomorrow wether there blue or not.

Not only do they still exist but there are certain people who have a yard full of dogs bred directly off those old bloodlines..
A dog that will catch a hog is not necessarily a "gamedog" that's why there are people who have blue dogs that work perfectly fine for catchdogs along with a lot of other color bulldogs and also different types of dogs such as dogos and american bulldogs that will work as catchdogs.. They will work as catch dogs  but they are not necessarily game in the true sense of the word.. I would say 95% of the dogs being used for catchdogs are not game..

well said chainrated

[bignasty]

i think some of yall need to see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nnF1AeY6A

[bignasty]

and this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VtMmTSHhlE

[Reuben]

bignasty,

them are the bully type that over heat if left outside for more than 30 minutes...