TShelly
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Its been interesting finally being able to put some of the pieces together on the background of these black cur dogs. The last 6 or so years Ive been fortunate to hunt behind this line of dogs, and even now luckily own a few up and comers from it. Not one of us can hardly take credit for any of this as it was the old men in the past, the true dogmen that set people like us up to reap the rewards. I hunt with Big E, and he was fortunate to get a litter of four black pups out of CB which was owned by Curtis Bennet of Woodruff’s ranch. From that litter he got his old strike dog Blaster who everything in the dogs we now currently hunt is from. We always knew that CB who himself was a solid black dog, and a one of a kind type hogdog. We also knew that CB was out of Herschel Perry’s Dixie and the best dog at Woodruff’s ranch, a dog named Jasper. Many a people, and Lloyd Perry himself commented that Dixie was right up there with the best hog dogs he had ever seen, if not the BEST. From here we didn’t really know anything else. Dixie was black as the ace of spades… Recently I was put in touch with Mr. Lloyd Perry when Ty Angel dropped my current new black off. It was an awesome experience sitting there and listening to nothing but stories and stories about dogs! For those of you that don’t know or haven’t heard of Mr. Perry, you sure are missing out. The best thing is he has a book written that talks of his life experiences cowboying, dog training and hog Everything in quotes was pulled straight from teh book. Feel free to post any pictures or hunting for a living.. A Lasting Impression by Lloyd Perry, I seriously recommend this book to any and every person who enjoys dogs and hog hunting, and mainly just an old cowboy. In talking with him I was able to find out that Dixie was actually the result of an accidental breeding. Herschel owned a brindle gyp that was the result of a black perry dog. She got bred by an old blue dog that lived on the farm but never was used as a working dog, his name was Sugar… and in referencing his book, I was able to trace the black line back through to the 1950’s.
“When I was 25 I raised a blue gyp called ol Mitzy that made an outstanding dog. Three years later I bought a young red hog dog called ol’ Junior, and for the next 10 years I raised several litters of black puppies from these two dogs. In time, these black dogs became known as Perry dogs”
“in the late 1960’s I was blessed with a talented dog named Mitzy. She was a super cowdog, hog dog, and tree dog. We treed and trapped over a hundred coons one winter worth about $3000. With God’s help we treed 11 coons in one night”
“Ol Junior was the only rough dog that I ever stay on my yard and eat any of my gravy train. Junior was a red cur dog. In 1973, I bought him as a 2 year from Mr. Billy Williams. I was in my late twenties, doing day work as situations presented, but mostly living a true cowboy’s life, which Ive always done. Ol Junior would work cattle and was alright if you were catching something, but was way too tight to try and pen anything. You couldn’t push cattle over him and if anything fought at him, he’d hit it and rip out an ear. Ol Junior could by himself find and catch the biggest hog in the woods, I do believe.”
Dad’s ol Dogs
“In 1950 when we moved to Anderson, Dad had two dogs that he brought with him ol red and ol Lou Lou. But Dad left an old, white-spotted dog he called buck there at the old Singleton house. Ol buck are was one of the few that are called fine dogs. He’d go along ways in the direction you were riding and bay cattle. Ol buck had no control and was wild as a buck deer. My dad was hard of hearing and when ol buck bayed, I would tell him which ways or where abouts he was. If he figured this was his cattle we’d ride to him. If he figured they weren’t his cattle we’d ride on and In 30 minutes ol buck would figure dad wasn’t coming and would catch up. He’d just keep slowly loping in the direction we were going and do his thing. Buck was strictly a lead dog and never had been controlled by any man
My oldest brother RB was living at the Woods place when a part walker and part cur gyp showed up. Herschel married and moved to the Crawford place. He worked for Dad over a year. Ol Buck and walker/cur gyp stayed with Herschel. This gyp was a stock dog but awful trashy(she’d run deer) Herschel raised some puppies from this gyp and Buck. The one he kept he named Big Boy.
Herschel moved to chapel hill and took a job managing a ranch. After being there a few years he took dad’s Ol lou lou gyp and raised some puppies from her and ol BigBoy. He kept 2 puppies. The dog he called Andy and the ol Blue gyp. They were both light, sand colored dogs. By and by Ol’ Blue became one of the best dogs that Id ever seen.
I worked a good bit for mr. J.C. Howard who had gotten a leopard dog from his brother in law who lived in Flynn, Texas. He called this dog King. This dog was a lot like ol Buck. He didn’t have any control and was a natural lead dog. Ol Blue was getting old and he let me raise some puppies from her and Ol King. We raised one puppy called Rena.
There weren’t many feral hogs throughout our country so I had to go hunting with other people like Buster Moore or VT Williams. VT had a dog called Rattler. I raised some puppiesout of ol Rattler and Rena. One was a blue colored gyp I called Blue. I was 17 years old , had me a rig (new truck, trailer, set of horses and three dogs) and was working at 2 sales barns and doing day work part time.
A feller in SHiro had sold out 500 head of cattle nd wanted his pastures cleaned out. Mr Jaspre Dixon day worked and had 3 pretty good dogs. I was hired to help Jasper pen this set of cattle. The first 2 days went pretty well with just the normal things happening.. These cross bred braham would flat try you. However the ones left were tough ones. They would single out, hide, lay down and the likes. The third day we worked all day and only managed to get a few cattle penned out of each pasture. This kind of cowboying went on for a week. Our dogs had their pads knocked off their feet and were give out. We had 45 head of cattle in a water trap and were fixing to pen and load these cattle. I noticed none of the 6 dogs really wanted to be cast, but were tiptoeing around real slow. When we got around these cattle and started to pen, all the dogs made an effort to go , but only two two remained in front of these cattle and it took us 30 minutes or so to get these cattle penned. Jasper had a wild, blue dog and my blue gyp were the only two working. We later raised pups from this union. Ol’ MITSY was the only one born”
feel free to comments if you have dogs out of this line. I know Boarninja, Ty, and Waylon are just a few them. Hoped yall enjoy this
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Mike
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 09:50:21 pm » |
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Good read Tony! I enjoy reading about the history of these old timer's line of dogs.
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Noah
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 09:58:22 pm » |
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Please describe these exceptional qualities... I'd like to know what a Perry dog is all about...
Mr. Ty sent me that book almost a yr ago(thankyou Mr. Ty), and I'm ashamed to say I got too tied up in life to finish it... but I mean to... the old man sure e nuff seemed to be a character from what I read...
Ty, I'd like to hear your description of these dogs again if you have the time
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YELLOWBLACKMASK
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 09:59:10 pm » |
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Great post man. Its Perty cool when you get to meet some of the founders of the lines that you are passionate about.
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TShelly
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 10:38:09 pm » |
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It says a lot in the book Noah about what he considers exceptional. The ones I've seen are good, just seem to take to it naturally. Don't need to do much other than turn them loose. Ive seen some of these dogs do amazing things.. They start extremely young. They could be better, almost all ours bark some or ALOT on track. I've seen other people's hog dogs that were just as good or even better and of different blood lines. Just in general most people I know, these dogs turn out to be there best. The ninja had a black dog that was the best 18 month old he'd ever seen that he picked up off Mr. Perry's lot as a puppy and later loss
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Noah
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 10:42:58 pm » |
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But how would "just one" exceptional Perry dog hunt? Paint me a picture of what they do. Just a random story... my wife just brought me out that book... still on my bedstand from almost 1 year ago... (I know because she had left me at the time and I was in a baaaad place...)... anyways... the book was left open on a chapter called "Truth Hurts"... no wonder I stopped reading.... ... Guess I'm gonna have ta finish it now and see how much I can learn about myself... HAHA...
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SCHitemHard
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2011, 10:44:19 pm » |
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can i ask where mr perry lives, we have alot of Perry family in texas and im always diggin around to find relatives
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Matt H Cleveland, OH
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Wormy Dog Kennels
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 10:45:09 pm » |
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The book was awesome, I've read it twice! We stoped by Mr. Perry's last month and he is never short for words or a good story or two I've been able to hunt with him and a sure pleasure it is. being around him can put you back so far and wish you were around back in the old days! It wont be long and me and my ole buddy Ty Angel will have to make a trip and do a little hunting with perry Tony i love those dogs and have been able to hunt with that REAL old school blood and Hunt with a REAL dog man seems like everyone that has this blood sho has some humdingers!!!!!
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jdt
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 11:00:40 pm » |
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please tell me where to find the book !
is that the same bigboy that they crossed on the blondie dog that so many good lines came out of ?
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TShelly
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 11:06:43 pm » |
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The ones I've seen hit the ground running, nose down alot, sometimes winding.. Some make 500 yard loops, some just go until they find a hog. They run a track extremely fast and seem to want to run a track more than take bay. Good bottom, had 16 month old pups out of it run a boar hog 9 miles in the spring..
Idk Noah, I'm not as skilled at judging a dog and putting in words as some of you guys so elequeantly put them. I just know I've caught a ton of hogs behind them and they make some darn good hogdogs lol
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TShelly
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 11:09:36 pm » |
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Jdt: pm Ty Angel on here. He regularly hunts with Mr. perry and would know to go about getting you or anyone else one. I thought the same thing when I read about Big boy, I honestly have no clue and was just going strictly on the book. I do know that Billy Bay was a good friend of Mr. Perry's as he is often mentioned in the book
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Noah
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2011, 11:12:55 pm » |
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"seem to want to run a track more than take a bay"
What does this mean?
Dogs sound WAAAY too rangy for me, but sound like awesome dogs for big property
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TShelly
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2011, 11:30:06 pm » |
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Noah some are shorter ranged. I've seen more than one that seem to get disinterested at the bay and would rather leave and go find another hog. As soon as the hog breaks they are right back at it. 2 gyps in particular would just roll off and go find another hog if a few other dogs were bayed with them.
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TShelly
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 09:08:46 am » |
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Wormy: yessir, I can't wait to make a trip back and hunt with him also! I agree, most of the ones I've seen were humdingers
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BarrNinja
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 09:15:16 am » |
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Great read Tony!
I have a few things to contribute to this post when I get time this evening but I like that pup! Ty and I believe that pups momma was a litter mate to that all star 18 month old of mine you refer too. I hope your pup ends up as good as that one!!! He was special to me but more than likely a standard for the Perry's.
I will post up some pictures also.
Noah, the Perry dogs I have raise get it done in all country big or small. They just really shine in big country with few hogs. Colder noses with endless bottom and brains ain't for everyone but they are not an issue for me.
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"No man should be allowed to be President who does not understand hogs." - President Harry Truman
“I like hogs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Hogs treat us as equals” - Sir Winston Churchill
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slimhogdog
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2011, 11:35:29 am » |
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Where can i get me a copy of that book?
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2011, 01:00:57 pm » |
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Where and who was Buster Moore??? Did he have cat dogs and from Cleaveland Tx by any chance, is he still living? Did he have what kind of hog dogs??? Sounds familar but cant remember anymore alas??
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waylon-N.E. OK
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2011, 01:28:34 pm » |
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2011, 01:50:30 pm » |
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Yea I wanna copy of that book. Can you get it at any book store or order it online or what. Cast me in the direction of the book please
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T.Angel
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2011, 01:59:16 pm » |
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Hey Tony, great post thanks. Glad you like youre puppy hey guy's im close to Mr. Perry, i hunt alot with him ,these dogs are good and i have several in my kennels dont take me wrong Im not putting down other peoples dogs. i hunt dogs from Justin Hosea, Heath Witorik, Chris Foster and Joe Taylor and they are good in my book, and all produce hogs for me, and i hunt hard.
SCHitemhard - Mr. Perry lives in Singleton Tx
knightstockterrier - Buster Moore lives in Crabbs Praire, north of Huntsville
JDT and Slimhogdog - you can get this book from Mr. Perry contact info - 1-936-395-0031
This is a awesome book, in my opinion a must read for Hog Hunters Mr. Perry is a old Cowboy and a True Dog Man JMO Ty Angel
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