Black Perry Dogs (UPDATE on 2nd Book!! 60 copies available)

[sfboarbuster]

Waylon, What about the barking on trail/ while running a hog?

I think that is something that us florida guys are skeptical about...

[TColt]

Dang those are good looking dogs! I'm a sucker for those brindles too!

[Wmwendler]

I've never seen one that was open on trail before locating a hog.  Ive seen a few that were a little "mouthy" in a race or might open a time or two on hot scent...something like last nights bed or the like.  I sold the Lana gyp partly because she was a bit mouthy.  Barking on beds and often times she took too long to shut up after a hog broke bay.  

The general rule like most curs is they will be open when a hog breaks and during the first of the race but shut up after bit.  Some will keep barking if within sight of the hog, but if they loose him and have to track him back up they are silent.  Some of them quit barking within a few strides after the hog breaks.  I've seen the few "mouthy" exeptions and even owned one, but none of them were open trailers.  Also I cannot speak for anything other than the ones ive experienced.

Waylon  

[TShelly]

Waylon great post and pictures. They look alot like I expected. I agree on everything you said about them, I wasn't characterizing all perry dogs as being mouthy, just trying to point out the few faults I see in the ones we hunt. As there being so many different branches of the tree from Perry dogs and ours being somewhat of an outcross to the Woodruff ranch dogs.

In talking to Lloyd he said that in breeding his dogs he wanted SPEED and hitting ability( grabbing hide)  while he said lots of most other old timers wanted  a more chuckleheaded, rough dog. It's evident that he achieved that speed in the way that Waylon's are built and in some of ours.

Noah I think Waylon did a much better job of describing the line, I was reluctant to try explain an exceptional Perry bred dog to you as I've only hunted with dogs out of Dixie. I didn't feel that my opinion would be sufficient to the line being that I've only had first hand experience with a small sample of the line

Waylon: I really think Dixie could count lol a few years back when Big E had a few more finished dogs out of the line that was usually me screaming to catch those freaking dogs and forget the hog! if we bayed a sounder with those gyps, 9 times out of 10 we would catch every hog in the group

In general the gyps that are produced in our branch of the perry line turn out to be the real stars

[TShelly]

Waylon: you sold a gyp to a guy name Harry.. Would that have been boarbuster67 on here??

[Wmwendler]

Tony.....yeah, its Harry that goes by boarbuster67 on here.  I sold him a gyp named Lana. As far as I know he still calls her that. She's a Little brindle gyp about 35 lbs in running shape.  He's said shes made a good dog for him.  She's a Loretta Granddaughter allong with my Paris gyp Monk dog that died recently.  Loretta was a dixie daughter and out of Harry Kenney's Flip dog.  That cross really made some super stars.......Loretta, Annie, Pie, Hank........

Most of the Perry dogs go back to Dixie or a Dixie daughter.  The ones yall hunt and the ones I hunt are most likely pretty close in blood just with some different outcrosses.  I see the same thing with the females out shining the males.  The males make perfectly good dogs but the gyps are usually the ones that make exceptional dogs.

I have some pictures of Dixie that I need to get scaned and post up.

Waylon

[TShelly]

Yes please post the Dixie pictures.. I'd love to see her. Waylon, any of our male dogs are available to you if you are ever looking to get some puppy's, it may be something crossing these two Dixie lines back on themselves

[Marshall]

Waylon was Pie owned by Jeff Sullivan? Or is that a different one? I used to have a little gyp ot of Pie and CB that was a bad lil gyp.

[bighogtexasstyle]

i asked who is curtis bennett and who owned the woodrff ranch you never gave me a answer.did you not get the message thanks BIGHOGTEXASSTYLE.
   Its been interesting finally being able to put some of the pieces together on the background of these black cur dogs. The last 6 or so years Ive been fortunate to hunt behind this line of dogs, and even now luckily own a few up and comers from it. Not one of us can hardly take credit for any of this as it was the old men in the past, the true dogmen that set people like us up to reap the rewards. I hunt with Big E, and he was fortunate to get a litter of four black pups out of CB which was owned by Curtis Bennet of Woodruff’s ranch. From that litter he got his old strike dog Blaster who everything in the dogs we now currently hunt is from.  We always knew that CB who himself was a solid black dog, and a one of a kind type hogdog. We also knew that CB was out of Herschel Perry’s Dixie and the best dog at Woodruff’s ranch, a dog named Jasper. Many a people, and Lloyd Perry himself commented that Dixie was right up there with the best hog dogs he had ever seen, if not the BEST. From here we didn’t really know anything else. Dixie was black as the ace of spades…
   Recently I was put in touch with Mr. Lloyd Perry when Ty Angel dropped my current new black off. It was an awesome experience sitting there and listening to nothing but stories and stories about dogs! For those of you that don’t know or haven’t heard of Mr. Perry, you sure are missing out. The best thing is he has a book written that talks of his life experiences cowboying, dog training and hog Everything in quotes was pulled straight from teh book. Feel free to post any pictures or hunting for a living.. A Lasting Impression by Lloyd Perry, I seriously recommend this book to any and every person who enjoys dogs and hog hunting, and mainly just an old cowboy. In talking with him I was able to find out that Dixie was actually the result of an accidental breeding. Herschel owned a brindle gyp that was the result of a black perry dog. She got bred by an old blue dog that lived on the farm but never was used as a working dog, his name was Sugar… and in referencing his book, I was able to trace the black line back through to the 1950’s.



“When I was 25 I raised a blue gyp called ol Mitzy that made an outstanding dog. Three years later I bought  a young red hog dog  called ol’ Junior, and for the next  10 years I raised several litters of black puppies from these two dogs. In time, these black dogs became known as Perry dogs”

“in the late 1960’s I was blessed with a talented dog named Mitzy. She was a super cowdog, hog dog, and tree dog. We treed and trapped over a hundred coons one winter worth about $3000. With God’s help we treed  11 coons in one night”

“Ol Junior was the only rough dog that I ever stay on my yard and eat any of my gravy train. Junior was a red cur dog. In 1973, I bought him as a 2 year from Mr. Billy Williams. I was in my late twenties, doing day work as situations presented, but mostly living a true cowboy’s life, which Ive always done. Ol Junior would work cattle and was alright if you were catching something, but was way too tight to try and pen anything. You couldn’t push cattle over him and if anything fought at him, he’d hit it and rip out an ear. Ol Junior could by himself find and catch the biggest hog in the woods, I do believe.”

Dad’s ol Dogs

“In 1950 when we moved to Anderson, Dad had two dogs that he brought with him ol red and ol Lou Lou. But Dad left  an old, white-spotted dog he called buck there at the old Singleton house. Ol  buck are was one of the few that are called fine dogs. He’d go along ways in the direction you were riding and bay cattle. Ol buck had no control and was wild as a buck deer. My dad was hard of hearing and when ol buck bayed, I would tell him which ways or where abouts he was. If he figured this was his cattle we’d ride to him. If he figured they weren’t his cattle we’d ride on and In 30 minutes ol buck would figure dad wasn’t coming and would catch up. He’d just keep slowly loping in the direction we were going and do his thing. Buck was strictly a lead dog and never had been controlled by any man

My oldest brother RB was living at the Woods place when a part walker and part cur gyp showed up. Herschel married and moved to the Crawford place. He worked for Dad over a year. Ol Buck and walker/cur gyp stayed with Herschel. This gyp was a stock dog but awful  trashy(she’d run deer) Herschel raised some puppies from this gyp and Buck. The one he kept he named Big Boy.

Herschel moved to chapel hill and took a job managing a ranch. After being there a few years he took dad’s Ol lou lou gyp and raised some puppies from her and ol BigBoy. He kept 2 puppies. The dog he called Andy and the ol Blue gyp. They were both light, sand colored dogs. By and by Ol’ Blue became one of the best dogs that Id ever seen.

I worked a good bit for mr. J.C. Howard who had gotten a leopard dog from his brother in law who lived in Flynn, Texas. He called this dog King. This dog was a lot like ol Buck. He didn’t have any control and was a natural lead dog. Ol Blue was getting old and he let me raise some puppies from her and Ol King. We raised one puppy called Rena.

There weren’t many feral hogs throughout our country so I had to go hunting with other people like Buster Moore or VT Williams. VT had a dog called Rattler. I raised some puppiesout of ol Rattler and Rena. One was a blue colored gyp I called Blue. I was 17 years old , had me a rig (new truck, trailer, set of horses and three dogs) and was working at 2 sales barns and doing day work part time.

A feller in SHiro had sold out 500 head of cattle nd wanted his pastures cleaned out. Mr Jaspre Dixon day worked and had 3 pretty good dogs. I was hired to help Jasper pen this set of cattle. The first 2 days went pretty well with just the normal things happening.. These cross bred braham would flat try you. However the ones left were tough ones. They would single out, hide, lay down and the likes. The third day we worked all day and only managed to get a few cattle penned out of each pasture. This kind of cowboying went on for a week. Our dogs had their pads knocked off their feet and were give out. We had 45 head of cattle in a water trap and were fixing to pen and load these cattle. I noticed none of the 6 dogs really wanted to be cast, but were tiptoeing around real slow. When we got around these cattle and started to pen, all the dogs made an effort to go , but only two two remained in front of these cattle and it took us 30 minutes or so to get these cattle penned. Jasper had a wild, blue dog and my blue gyp were the only two working. We later raised pups from this union. Ol’ MITSY was the only one born”


feel free to comments if you have dogs out of this line. I know Boarninja, Ty, and Waylon are just a few them. Hoped yall enjoy this

[TShelly]

Bighogtexasstyle: sorry just saw your post. The woodruff ranch is on the Trinity river north of Huntsville.. It's still owned by the woodruff's.. Curtis Bennett has been working cows out there and hunting for a long time. I do believe he lives in Oakhurst still and owns an AC business. Some other people on here would be able to tell you more. I've never met Curtis, just his son

[Noah]

Thanks for the description Waylon, they look and sound like real nice dogs for big places... built a bit fine for my liking but they dang sure look fast!  Some of them almost look like they got some greyhound in em lol!

[Wmwendler]

Tony.......I will post them up as soon as I get them scaned.  Thanks for the offer and I will keep that in mind.  Ive tried to breed my Paris gyp 3 times with no luck.  I plan to keep trying but I have doubts about her fertility and she's pretty narrow back there.  The one time she took, she delivered one dead pup.  I think it was too big for her birth canal.   Maybe we can get CWard convinced he needs to cross on some Perry dogs. .  We need to get together and have a Perry dog hunt.

Marshall.......The Pie I am talking about Belonged to Hershel Perry till she was killed by a hog in the Brazos bottom near Chappel Hill.  He, or one of his sons had a daughter of her called Pie Baby, but I'm not sure what happened to that one.

Waylon

[Marshall]

Waylon the gyp I'm talking about is prob no relation. She was a red a white spotted looking (piebald) gyp. Very unique. He had a ton of hunt. Curtis Bennet 1st taught me how to hog hunt out at Woodruffs and other places and Jeff would bring her. Is the young "Hershey" Hershel Perry's grandson?

[bighogtexasstyle]

thanks man curtis and mickey bennett use to hunt withy me in the eighty's and early ninety's this is where i got my start of my current dog stock mickey give me a black with tan markings young dog out of curtis's dog''dun''his son was a boy then used to come over here and hunt with me so i guess in writing about this you made me aware of my stocks origins also.this dog i got from mickey was the first real ''fine dog''.i ever owned.got two more that were bonified out of him the rest of his get were better than most strike dogs but never were in the calibeer of p.d,rowd,and little smut.i also new and sherrif louis woodruff of coldsprings texas who i traded horses with in these day's.thanks for jogging my crusty memory.by the way how can i get both copy's of mr.perry's books i want to read them.

Bighogtexasstyle: sorry just saw your post. The woodruff ranch is on the Trinity river north of Huntsville.. It's still owned by the woodruff's.. Curtis Bennett has been working cows out there and hunting for a long time. I do believe he lives in Oakhurst still and owns an AC business. Some other people on here would be able to tell you more. I've never met Curtis, just his son

[bighogtexasstyle]

i also have in the last six months bred a linebreeding of this dog stock and two males and a female i'm gonna start using in the winter.right now we have five curs of this lineage and three cur/dogo rcfd out of it. when i hear parker or tweety or winchester all good blood by their own rights but if you ever hunted with one of them black rascals that will roll out and find hog after hog after hog you know what i'm talking about.again no disrespect to the origins of the other dog stock mentioned just hard to beat that line of dogs.be they black ,tan ,saddleback,or brindle.

[Mike]

Bighogtexasstyle,

The Winchester dog was an old brindle cur that goes back to the Winfrey's dogs out of Coldspring... which I believe goes back the Woodruff's stock.

[TShelly]

Waylon: sounds good to me! The hogs wouldn't be safe for miles on that hunt lol big e and cward have already made the cross sInce Chance's go back to Woodruff's stock also. 4 of the girlfriend/Ike pups just made it to a year old and the 3 Eric owns will flat go, they'll all strike their own hogs and have tons of bottom. I've been hunting his 3 and my 2 all summer catching hogs with them.. Last I talked to Chance he was really liking his pup too

BigHogTexasstyle: they speak of that Dun dog in the first book and crossing a gyp to him. You can look back and there is a link to a bookstore to order first book online or you can get Mr. Perry to send it to you. The 2nd book will be out this winter

Marshall: pretty sure lil Hershey was his grandson, ironically now he's the dog trainer out at good ol "Walton Ranch" (boob's voice) lol

[Circle C]

Waylon: sounds good to me! The hogs wouldn't be safe for miles on that hunt lol big e and cward have already made the cross sInce Chance's go back to Woodruff's stock also. 4 of the girlfriend/Ike pups just made it to a year old and the 3 Eric owns will flat go, they'll all strike their own hogs and have tons of bottom. I've been hunting his 3 and my 2 all summer catching hogs with them.. Last I talked to Chance he was really liking his pup too

BigHogTexasstyle: they speak of that Dun dog in the first book and crossing a gyp to him. You can look back and there is a link to a bookstore to order first book online or you can get Mr. Perry to send it to you. The 2nd book will be out this winter

Marshall: pretty sure lil Hershey was his grandson, ironically now he's the dog trainer out at good ol "Walton Ranch" (boob's voice) lol

Is that Walton Ranch just south of Millican?

[TShelly]

Yessir Chris! Ive guided bird hunts out there for about the last 6 years, full time when I wAs going to ATM, I just help out on occasional busy weekends or when I jar a lot of free time now. Quail, pheasant and chuckar hunts available. Jodi has about 20-30 very well bred English Pointers that are ranch dogs that us guides will use. It's a very well run place

[Circle C]

Interesting... I've got a pretty healthy chunk of that country to hunt. The farmer says it's close to 20k acres in the bottom, between his place and the neighbors.  There is one small place he has that buts up to the Walton Ranch, and we've always been afraid to turn out, on the chance that our dogs crossed into the Walton Ranch.  We might need to get together and hunt that country this fall.  I'll PM you the details of the places out there that we hunt. I am sure you will know of them.