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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 11:48:53 am » |
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I had someone hit me and they had State Farm. I wanted to get an estimate to make sure I did not get taken. The shop said to go see State Farm and what ever they gave me they would fix the car for because State Farm treated people right. They are pricey but I guess you get what you pay for. It just makes me mad when I have to fight the company I pay to do what they should do. I absolutly hate insurance companies. Even mine.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 12:18:03 pm » |
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I still don't see the reason why yall hate farm bureau in Oklahoma for backing the dog bill. I stand firm on that no one has the right to enter property they don't have permission to be on. Plain and simple.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 12:50:52 pm » |
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Here is a discussion about the issue of Farm Bureau and permission to retrieve your dog. From what I can tell, its not about permission, its about having written permission or else the state can issue the hunter a ticket. http://forums.huntingboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31345 |
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 01:11:43 pm » |
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I still don't see the reason why yall hate farm bureau in Oklahoma for backing the dog bill. I stand firm on that no one has the right to enter property they don't have permission to be on. Plain and simple.
I have seen some smart dogs that can do lots of things but I have never seen one that knows what a property line is. I understand what you are saying because there are some fence jumpers. But the law goes to far. If I am hunting and my dog gets lost that is not trespessing. Poaching should be handled as poaching. I just see the law being abused by people that don't like dogs. I don't live on Oklahoma so I am not worried about it but I still don't like it. We don't need knew laws there are too many to remember now. |
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 01:20:07 pm » |
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No one has the right to come onto my property no matter what the reason may be. Do you let your neighbors walk in your yard? If your dogs cross the fence call them back or wait. I like the law.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 01:55:30 pm » |
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No one has the right to come onto my property no matter what the reason may be. Do you let your neighbors walk in your yard? If your dogs cross the fence call them back or wait. I like the law.
I don't want anyone but myself to have the RIGHT to be on my property. Simple as that... Your dog gets on my place, either slip in and take the risk of being prosecuted, or come knock on my door an ask to retrieve your dog. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 02:02:12 pm » |
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I personally get permission to recover my dogs when I can. If your dog is on my yard I expect you to get it if it does not come when you call it. If I have to deal with it we both won't be happy. My dogs have gone in my neighbors yard and his over here. If either of us are not home we put the others dogs back. We also go look at the fences and pens and help each other keep our dogs in our yards. Because we are both responsible people we don't have problems. I can call my dogs off if they can hear me. I agree with what you say I just don't like the law.
I think it is not responsible to let your dogs run around someones property. If my dog is on your land should I just leave it and let it damage property. I feel that I am responsible for any damage so it is my responsiblity to get my dog off your land to prevent it if possible. I am serious about trash breaking but what if I don't know you have domestic pigs. should I let them bay your pigs if they can't hear me? I should get in there and get my dogs as quickly as possible to prevent injury to your animals and damage to your property. How many dog owners would see the problem and just walk away and leave the dog? It would be the responsible owner going to get their dog and take care of any problems. I know for a fact their are some daddy didn't marry mommas that will see their dogs that they did not spend anytime time working and trash breaking chasing a cow through a fence and just jump in their truck and leave. So you have an injured cow, broken fence, and a dog with no name on it that ain't worth the bullet to shoot. That is the person they need to go after. Pass a law that requires your name and phone number on any hunting dog.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 02:44:30 pm » |
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No one has the right to come onto my property no matter what the reason may be. Do you let your neighbors walk in your yard? If your dogs cross the fence call them back or wait. I like the law.
If you have any utility company service they have the right to come upon your property without notice, we have a ranch next to a prison, they have the right to come onto the ranch as well if there is an escape without notice, same way with about any emergency service providers, a surveyor has the right to come onto your property if it is over a boundary survey, a member of a water district inspection or irragation district, a powerline utility has the right to come upon your property to acess another memebers property, a state judge can order the sheriff or land division commissioners to go upon your property to divide up a undivided ranch between the owners who are in dispute, all of these have legal rights to enter, harassing, locking them out blocking the road etc etc is a felony in some cases, try locking out a game warden, they get to cut locks all the time over this mistaken idea that no one has the right to enter others property without permssion or notice??? Maybe you meant your neighbors or something i missed in these posts?? |
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 02:51:12 pm » |
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That's a joke right? Easements are in deeds. Why would you even include emergency personal? No one has the right to come onto my property no matter what the reason may be. Do you let your neighbors walk in your yard? If your dogs cross the fence call them back or wait. I like the law.
If you have any utility company service they have the right to come upon your property without notice, we have a ranch next to a prison, they have the right to come onto the ranch as well if there is an escape without notice, same way with about any emergency service providers, a surveyor has the right to come onto your property if it is over a boundary survey, a member of a water district inspection or irragation district, a powerline utility has the right to come upon your property to acess another memebers property, a state judge can order the sheriff or land division commissioners to go upon your property to divide up a undivided ranch between the owners who are in dispute, all of these have legal rights to enter, harassing, locking them out blocking the road etc etc is a felony in some cases, try locking out a game warden, they get to cut locks all the time over this mistaken idea that no one has the right to enter others property without permssion or notice??? Maybe you meant your neighbors or something i missed in these posts?? |
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 03:04:33 pm » |
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Well stated dub.  So for those of you who feel that no one has the right to retrieve their property from your land without your immediate permission, what would you suggest in this scenario? A person is hog hunting on a nearby property and their dogs cross your property line and bays 100 yards from the line at 2 AM. This person attempts to call the dogs off with no luck. Should this person: A. Cross the fence and quickly retrieve his dogs B. Wake you to obtain permission (at 2 AM) I understand your side that you wouldn't want people snooping on your property or even illegally hunting it, but that in my opinion is completely different than retrieving a dog. If the person is retrieving a dog then they should have no gun, knife, or even hobbles. The only thing they should have is a leash. |
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2011, 03:12:24 pm » |
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Well stated dub. So for those of you who feel that no one has the right to retrieve their property from your land without your immediate permission, what would you suggest in this scenario? A person is hog hunting on a nearby property and their dogs cross your property line and bays 100 yards from the line at 2 AM. This person attempts to call the dogs off with no luck. Should this person: A. Cross the fence and quickly retrieve his dogs B. Wake you to obtain permission (at 2 AM) I understand your side that you wouldn't want people snooping on your property or even illegally hunting it, but that in my opinion is completely different than retrieving a dog. If the person is retrieving a dog then they should have no gun, knife, or even hobbles. The only thing they should have is a leash. Either option is fine with me... Just don't bitch if I happen to wake up on the wrong side of the bed while you are on my property in the middle of the night without permission. That said, I am not going to pretend I have never crossed a fence to retrieve a dog. It's a risk I take. If I happen to get caught, I'll take the ticket. If I can get ahold of the landowner, I'll do that. What I don't want, is any outlaw hog dogger to have the RIGHT to come on to my property to retrieve their dog. |
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2011, 03:19:44 pm » |
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What I don't want, is any outlaw hog dogger to have the RIGHT to come on to my property to retrieve their dog.
I agree, but an "outlaw hog dogger" is not what I would call retrieving a dog. That is more like backdoor hunting, but the laws are always open to interpretation... I would have no problem with someone retrieving their dogs from my property without permission, but it isn't right for someone to try to use this loophole to try to hunt without permission. |
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2011, 03:21:53 pm » |
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I drop everything at the fence except for dog leads and my phone even with permission. I don't want anyone to think I am hunting. If a landowner is mad he can yell all he wants and call the law too. When he calms down he will know I was doing the right thing. If I get a ticket I won't be mad but I will fight it.
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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2011, 04:02:41 pm » |
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Well good luck prosecuting someone for treaspassing. A few years ago we had a drug addict climbing over our fences to gather mushrooms out of the cow patties. We called the law and they just laughed and said that there wasn't much they could do. My husband chased the guy down and found out who it was and told the dude that if he caught him back on our property that he was going to tote an azz whoopin. The law still didn't do anything. A few nights later he was in our neighbors pasture doing the same thing and our neighbor stepped out on his front porch with a shotgun and shot out above the guy to pepper him. He didn't come back after that. But my point is that the law didn't do a thing about it. However, we live in Liberty County.  |
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2011, 04:07:11 pm » |
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It takes one bad apple. That one bad apple has already ruined it for the rest. For every one person who is just getting his dog there are two people jumping that fence to hunt under the same pretense. Cattle rustlers and hog hunters hunting illegally brought this law . Just like people having 20 dogs with out the means to care for them will bring on new laws in the future.
No ones rights should over power land owners when it comes to who is on their property. If you are not for the bill you just might be the people it is written for. Think about it.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2011, 04:38:12 pm » |
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I hope you are not trying to make accusations against me because I am against bills such as this.
Just because I want the right to legally retrieve my property does not mean that I am an outlaw.
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2011, 04:58:32 pm » |
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they are tring to past the sme law here in oklahoma to. so what is it going to take to get them to back off of it . it is not the people that hunt truthfuly it is the people that hunt from the roads and the people that steal and tear or people land.
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2011, 05:06:02 pm » |
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they are tring to past the sme law here in oklahoma to. so what is it going to take to get them to back off of it . it is not the people that hunt truthfuly it is the people that hunt from the roads and the people that steal and tear or people land.
That law was already passed here in TN. Not sure about if FB played any role in it though, but I imagine they did. |
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2011, 08:02:12 pm » |
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It takes one bad apple. That one bad apple has already ruined it for the rest. For every one person who is just getting his dog there are two people jumping that fence to hunt under the same pretense. Cattle rustlers and hog hunters hunting illegally brought this law . Just like people having 20 dogs with out the means to care for them will bring on new laws in the future.
No ones rights should over power land owners when it comes to who is on their property. If you are not for the bill you just might be the people it is written for. Think about it.
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2011, 08:30:08 pm » |
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cantexduck what do you work for farm bureau or what everytime someone has anything to say about the bill you stand up for farm bureau. there is other was this could be taken care of. it is not the land owners that live close or live own the land that cause us hunters problem it is the land owners that own land that live in the big city and that do not farm or raise crops that raise a big deal about it all.the city people that owns the want the hogs on them to hunt. the people that i have talk to about hunting the land that i hunt dont care but it is the one's that live in the city that are the butts about it all. the farmers that i hunt around or on do not care about me going and getting my dogs because it is helping them out from the hogs tearing up there land. them passing this bill still will not stop the cattle rustlers and the theives and the road hunters. it only hurts the true hunters and dog owners that enjoy the sports of hunting with dogs.
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