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« on: February 23, 2009, 07:19:13 pm » |
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I got a lab / pitt cross he is 10 months old. I Just started him in the pen. He bays with the other dogs but , when he catches I can't get him to release. Can anyone give me some insight how to get him to let go?
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« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 07:28:51 pm by KarieA »
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Noah
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 07:39:56 pm » |
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Disclaimer: What works for me  ... A lot of people will probably disagree, but a good handle will take care of that. It can take some time for a dog to understand the concept(up to a yr) but eventually, you can teach even the baddest catch dog to release when you tell them. Our dogs catch, close eyes, and hold until I tap them on the head and say "quit". They have learned that if they do not let go... I will convince them to do so. I've found it helps to stick a few and let them chew on it until they realize it is no longer a threat, and they'll release on their own. Once a dog understands this, you can start to "remind" them that the hog is no longer a threat once you have your hands on it. I'm not saying to beat your dog, but I will put my boot on one's head if they refuse to turn loose. Just make sure the dog is competent about the catching thing before you start telling it to turn loose. Oh yeah, if you're just lazy and want to get it done without training, use a break stick. |
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KarieA
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 07:45:26 pm » |
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Ok thanks good info. The only problem is he is Very Hard headed do I just let him keep holding till he kills the hogg?
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 07:49:17 pm » |
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Lead Poision!!!!!!!!!! HEHE...... NO he is a good dog just needs a little time and understanding.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 07:54:45 pm » |
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Re-read my post(I edited it)... but like Fur said, TIME will allow the dog to understand when he can let go safely.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 08:31:40 pm » |
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I always choke a catch dog off. Leave a 1" wide collar high on the neck above the cut collar. Grab and pull straight up, some take longer than others, but they will release when they take a breath.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 08:46:13 pm » |
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Grab the dog by an ear and twist it. He will let go. Works for all our hard headed dogs.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 09:28:03 pm » |
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I've never been one to be accused of having a "handle" on my dogs, but I personally prefer to break my dog off. That way I know beyond any doubt that he's not letting go until I'M ready for him to let go.
If a catchdog is what you desire of the dog, I really don't think your problem is a problem.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 09:51:15 pm » |
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I have to agree with Bryant . . . .  |
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 09:58:34 pm » |
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Our dogs catch, close eyes,.... Funny you should mention that, Noah. When Zeus catches, his eyes roll back in his head. They're open, you just see white balls and no pupils. First time I caught a hog with him it freaked me out...I panicked and thought something was wrong with him. I have to admit, it's kinda spooky looking. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 10:04:41 pm » |
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It must be that same shark reflex, protect your eyeballs type of instinct... what's funny is when I tap on AJ's forehead and say her name... you can see her eyeballs roll back down and eyelids open so she can make eye contact to see what I want... it's funny to watch the light turn back on |
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 07:26:06 am » |
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Thank yall for the advice . I will try a few of your suggestions and see what works.  |
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2009, 07:33:43 am » |
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Buddy does the same thing, eyes rolling back in his head, looks pyscho, theres probably no way I could teach a dog as far along as he is to break like Noah was talking about but it sure would make things easier on future catch dogs, right now I use the choke method, it works, just like Mike said, some take longer than others.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 08:21:21 am » |
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Handling can come if you put the time in to it my catch dog is pit and I can put a ho g on rack of fourwheeler and set him on top of the hog and he won't bother the hog at all.every catch dog I have ever had handled that way I would not let him kill the hog get him of howerver you decide then make him settle down and behave.I pull mine's collar and slightly slap him own the jaw its the time you want to put in him.nothing better than a dog that handles
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2009, 10:33:56 am » |
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I always choke a catch dog off. Leave a 1" wide collar high on the neck above the cut collar. Grab and pull straight up, some take longer than others, but they will release when they take a breath.
What I do as well. |
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 07:12:54 pm » |
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Kari, keep in mind Noah is an experienced handler. He's right, but I don't think new hunters should attempt this. If you've done much training, you know that a dog will begin to anticipate when you will give a command he has recently learned, and he'll perform the task when he THINKS you're going to give the command. If he anticipates your giving the release command and releases 2 seconds early, you could get hurt.
Another think to keep in mind is that if you use a verbal command, someone could use a word that somewhat rymes with the command at a bad time. Be careful.
My advice to new handlers is to use dogs that must be broke and/or choked off.
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2009, 08:07:30 am » |
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I tried Mike's method last night. One inch collar high on the neck and it worked good.
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2009, 07:26:29 pm » |
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Well I tryed to choked him off. Pulled straight up, his feet were off the ground so he hugged the hogg !!!!  Still would not let go. We got a stick and I think thats what made him let go. He has a hell of a hold lol but he is comming along Awsome !!!! |
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2009, 08:19:32 pm » |
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Just in case... a proper break stick is built like a large, thin chisel. Thin and flat on the fore end, about 1-2 inches wide at the tip. Be gentle until you get the hang of it! Sorry.... I just have visions of you jabbing a tree branch in his mouth till he lets go |
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2009, 08:32:58 pm » |
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LoL!!! Well it was a little 1x2 board I had laying near by. Once I put it in his mouth he let go. I really didn't have to pry. She is doing a good job working this dog. She even has him sitting while a shoat runs all around him until she says catch. She wants to be able to handle him without help. He already is a good dog, but will become a GREAT dog in time.
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