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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 11:49:44 am » |
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Run either or, don't mix them. I run loose dogs and won't run mine with rough dogs... good way to get dogs hurt or killed.
X3 The only dog I have had get killed so far was the result of running my loose dogs with one rough dog. Yup. I ask before we hunt.  |
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2011, 12:38:11 pm » |
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I think the argument isn't loose vs rough but rather smart vs stupid within the ranks of each category.
When folks say they want a rough dog, I dont think anybody means they want dogs that find a hog, run to catch and proceed to grab whatever is open, getting flung, shaking their heads violently and getting cut to heck in the process.
Nor do I feel anyone wants a loose dog to strike a hog, stand back 40 yards and trail bark as it continues to walk off.
However, out of those two styles, which dog do you feel would be not only effective till help arrives, but live long enough to earn his keep?
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 03:35:20 pm » |
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Run either or, don't mix them. I run loose dogs and won't run mine with rough dogs... good way to get dogs hurt or killed.
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 04:45:53 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help...
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 04:56:56 pm » |
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i run nothing but rough dogs my buddy has loose bay dogs and they work just fine together .his dogs dont get catchy with mine and if you guys would suit the rough dog up like they need to be they live a long time i got 3 rough sobs on the retirement line and they earned it .a good vest is alot cheaper then all he vet bills
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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 04:59:06 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help... couldnt have said it better if i tryed
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 05:09:18 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help...
There are plenty of "loose baying dogs" that will help catch... I used to have a bmc that was loose baying on big hogs, but would help catch anything once the bulldogs got there and he would lock on too... I hunted him with some " rough " dogs and they got a 250# boar in a creek.. When we got there the rough dogs were biting/grabbing the hog but couldnt handle it... My bmc grabbed on when they tried and he was the only dog that caught and held ... every dog on the ground got cut except one... So one example of when loose baying dogs get wrecked is when a rough dog tries a hog they cant handle... |
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 05:10:51 pm » |
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to me it depends on where your hunting, how the pigs act (runners or fighters), how big the acres are, some older hunters i know like runners to listen to the dogs work, i like mine alittle gritty but i also had a pack of 5 rcds that i ran on small places cause i know if i hear squealin or they stop, they are caught on somethin
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 05:19:53 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help...
There are plenty of "loose baying dogs" that will help catch... I used to have a bmc that was loose baying on big hogs, but would help catch anything once the bulldogs got there and he would lock on too... I hunted him with some " rough " dogs and they got a 250# boar in a creek.. When we got there the rough dogs were biting/grabbing the hog but couldnt handle it... My bmc grabbed on when they tried and he was the only dog that caught and held ... every dog on the ground got cut except one... So one example of when loose baying dogs get wrecked is when a rough dog tries a hog they cant handle... Exactly right my friend. Loose dogs dont necessarily never touch a hog, they just know to wait on human interaction. If a pack of loose dogs never touched a hog until they saw the catchdog hit, hence, they knew the handler was on his way, then somebody else comes along with a bunch of rough dogs who catch a boar while the handler is still 1000 yards away, how is that the fault of the loose dogs? i run nothing but rough dogs my buddy has loose bay dogs and they work just fine together .his dogs dont get catchy with mine and if you guys would suit the rough dog up like they need to be they live a long time i got 3 rough sobs on the retirement line and they earned it .a good vest is alot cheaper then all he vet bills
I DONT LIKE RUNING HOGS I LIKE TO STOP THEM. I ONLY HAVE ONE FOOT AND THEY WORK JUST FINE FOR ME this is and was my whole point about smart vs stupid. Loose dogs dont mean your gonna be on a ten mile race if you've got good loose dogs who know how to work. If the dogs you drop ain't got no hog sence then it dont mug matter what style they are. You'll either be chasing hogs or chasing bay busters. |
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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2011, 07:13:10 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help...
There are plenty of "loose baying dogs" that will help catch... I used to have a bmc that was loose baying on big hogs, but would help catch anything once the bulldogs got there and he would lock on too... I hunted him with some " rough " dogs and they got a 250# boar in a creek.. When we got there the rough dogs were biting/grabbing the hog but couldnt handle it... My bmc grabbed on when they tried and he was the only dog that caught and held ... every dog on the ground got cut except one... So one example of when loose baying dogs get wrecked is when a rough dog tries a hog they cant handle... I agree with Stringbean on this one. Sorry Reuben. |
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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2011, 07:24:13 pm » |
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If a loose baying dog gets killed because of a rough dog in the pack then that loose baying dog wasn't really a loose baying dog after all...must of been a smart bay dog but got careless with the rough dogs help...
I 100% disagree. My dogs are all loose baying dogs... they'll will sink teeth in one and catch when the catch dog does. But they will set back and bay one till the cows come home. When I refer to a rough dog, I'm talking about one that catches or tries to catch everything. I dont consider dogs that grab the ass end to stop one as being rough. Rough dogs and loose dogs don't mix... a lot of good dogs have been hurt and killed because of it. |
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2011, 08:02:11 pm » |
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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2011, 08:08:38 pm » |
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2011, 08:20:10 pm » |
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All my loose baying dogs have been cut but its cause they have exposed there selves to lots of bad hogs.lol I agree don't mix the two.
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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2011, 08:40:45 pm » |
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well i prefer my loose bayin mutts.they both been on the bad end of hog and learned to respect.but i dont HAVE to catch every hog they start tho.rough dogs got their place as well .those dogs i usually wind up puttin dirt over their bodies ,used to run a set of each for diferent spots.with the loose dogs i aint haveing to buy dogs every 6 mo.to yr.
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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2011, 08:54:18 pm » |
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twillabanks...
well he is right...the best dogs will have to be loose baying but put teeth on a hog to stop the hog and then be content to back up and bay...to me it real hard to get this type of dog...maybe shouldn't say this type but cow type dogs tend to do this rather well but lack in hunt and bay nose...talking about percentages on a type of dog not a breed. I like a dog that will get up close to hog and bay in his face and dares it to break...downside is the hog and can break and get away if the hog is in a place where the dog is in a spot where it can not keep up. When i thought my pack was at its best the dogs would stop any boar in the open woods but in the thick stuff it was bay busting until dogs overheated or they or they caught up... Breeding bottom, hunt, nose for winding and trailing and the ability find a hog was easy for my dogs but the baying style was a major challenge...one dog and the might hold and maybe 2dogs but not 3...sometimes the bay would bust with one dog...didn't really need a bulldog because dogs would catch or back up on command... But I will say that I want enough grit to stop a hog. To catch most any hog and stay on it as long as it is alive ...on a big boar to catch enough to keep it there until I get there and give the command to catch or back up so I can shoot...this type of dog is smart enough day in and day out but can get cut down on a river bank or next to a ledge etc.etc.... Biggest breeding issue I ever dealt with had to do with this topic...I opt to breed in the direction of more grit and invest in running vests ... |
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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2011, 09:00:24 pm » |
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Well hope it made sense ..i don't do too good on my phone...
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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2011, 09:18:39 pm » |
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Everybody will have their own opinion on this topic----mine is that rough dogs will either catch the hog or make him run.
I went through a time when I thought I needed rough dogs because pigs broke bay and ran, so I bought a couple of rougher dogs----bays still broke occasionally and hogs ran---vet bills piled up and rough dogs eventually died. As I got older in years I tried the opposite, I have changed dog style again---now I run cowards that wont quit barking and let the catch dog do the catching. Seems the hogs dont break and run as much because of less pressure. I still have a bay break occasionally and still get out run sometimes but I havent been to the vet for repairs in 3 years. Just depends on what you as an individual like and what works for you. We all hunt hogs in totally different areas and situations.
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2011, 09:23:31 pm » |
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Everybody will have their own opinion on this topic----mine is that rough dogs will either catch the hog or make him run.
I went through a time when I thought I needed rough dogs because pigs broke bay and ran, so I bought a couple of rougher dogs----bays still broke occasionally and hogs ran---vet bills piled up and rough dogs eventually died. As I got older in years I tried the opposite, I have changed dog style again---now I run cowards that wont quit barking and let the catch dog do the catching. Seems the hogs dont break and run as much because of less pressure. I still have a bay break occasionally and still get out run sometimes but I havent been to the vet for repairs in 3 years. Just depends on what you as an individual like and what works for you. We all hunt hogs in totally different areas and situations.
If you like what you have stick with it.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2011, 09:30:11 pm » |
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Everybody will have their own opinion on this topic----mine is that rough dogs will either catch the hog or make him run.
I went through a time when I thought I needed rough dogs because pigs broke bay and ran, so I bought a couple of rougher dogs----bays still broke occasionally and hogs ran---vet bills piled up and rough dogs eventually died. As I got older in years I tried the opposite, I have changed dog style again---now I run cowards that wont quit barking and let the catch dog do the catching. Seems the hogs dont break and run as much because of less pressure. I still have a bay break occasionally and still get out run sometimes but I havent been to the vet for repairs in 3 years. Just depends on what you as an individual like and what works for you. We all hunt hogs in totally different areas and situations.
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