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« on: January 11, 2012, 07:02:48 pm » |
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Take it are leave it. Its up to you .
A word of advise if you got yourself a crew of ruff ruff dogs that is stopping and catching you a pile of big bad hogs dont mess with the breedings by trying to make them looser leave the damn things alone !!!!!!!! I dont care if you are getting dogs cut are not if you are stopping hogs and catching hogs with those dogs leave em alone dont tinker thinking O I need to loosen these dogs up I am tired of sewing dogs up are tired of spending money at the vet. The hardest thing in the world to do with these hog dogs is to get a dog just the way you want it not to ruff not to loose , its a damn chore buddy and that is experinced breeder talking. I done it ! I was one of the ones that said damn Iam tired of sewing dogs up but yet we were nailing big hogs big bad boars and everything inbetween but I thought well I will knock some of the catch out of these dogs but not the grit well I sure nuff susceeded knocked the catch right out of them now they are gritty as hell but not gritty enuff and wont catch till the catch dog gets there if it is over 200lbs. Dont get me wrong we still catch big bad hogs but I sure as hell can tell the difference in the stopping the big bad runners . We are stopping about half the big bad boys running hogs that we was stopping and catching all the time before I done a breeding and knocked the catch out of these dogs . These dogs are close to three years old now and damn damn good dogs but the stopping power is just not there on the bad bad boys like it use to be and its my own damn fault . So now I got to go back and rebreed another liter to get them back like they were because the dogs I bred were getting older and these were suppose to replace them but now just dont have the stopping power I want in a dog like their mothers are fathers had, everything else is there but that . I can only say their breeding worked it done what it was suppose to do and what I had in mind but its just not me. I just thought I wanted it this way . I played and I have now payed ! Dont get me wrong we get our share but I cannot stand missing the big boys like this, not all of them but a lot of them we are missing !
This is what you get for thinking you want to change !
Leave it alone !
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 07:09:29 pm » |
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Experience talking right there, great post. I'll take all them looser dogs you wanna get rid of  |
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TexasHogDogs
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 07:22:47 pm » |
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Well I can tell all folks one dang thing if you think you can keep a dog from getting cut you are in the wrong wrong wrong business ! Its gonna happen one way are another and its gonna happen ruff , loose, catchy are what ever . So it Might as well be , while getting that big bad Mofo tied and laid down instead of chasing them all over the country with no hog at the end of it and you still end up with cut dogs !
I gotta hunt these dogs now untill I can get the next group on the ground and back like they were. Dammit what is that another two three years just because I thought I wanted a damn change ahahhahahahahahahahaahahhahaahahah.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 07:28:50 pm » |
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X2 wished I had done that years ago also. Now I hate the looser baying dogs I have. I want my old catch anything under 200 by themself dogs back
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 07:29:17 pm » |
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I hear ya brother...
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 07:35:55 pm » |
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You ever think it's the other way around? The hogs are running so bad because they learn to adapt from years of dogs biting and chewing on their a$$?
Might need to breed more "run" into the dogs to keep up with the hogs.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 07:40:42 pm » |
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You ever think it's the other way around? The hogs are running so bad because they learn to adapt from years of dogs biting and chewing on their a$$?
Might need to breed more "run" into the dogs to keep up with the hogs.
Nope. Caught twice as many hogs with those dogs, and the buddies of mine still running them catch more seems like LOL. Not many hogs got away from the old pack all that often as I can recall. Plus I don't like rangey dogs. No need for them down here. I don't want to "run" a hog I want the hog CAUGHT! LOL |
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 07:46:07 pm » |
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could be enough grit to push the hog but not enough to stop it...well heck I just repeated what Texashogdogs said.
hunt the one dog with the least grit and if it bays up turn in a catch dog with a few gritty curs...see if that works...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 07:53:20 pm » |
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Nope. Caught twice as many hogs with those dogs, and the buddies of mine still running them catch more seems like LOL. Not many hogs got away from the old pack all that often as I can recall. Plus I don't like rangey dogs. No need for them down here. I don't want to "run" a hog I want the hog CAUGHT! LOL
You must live and hunt where hogs are plentiful? I used to run those type dogs too... hogs were plentiful and easy to catch. Thats not the case around these parts anymore... and evidently it's becoming a problem all over the place. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 07:56:19 pm » |
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O am sure they have leared to run and adapt to all the dogs running and chasing them sure man you know that has happened no doubt . But I can tell you one thing when we were running the right kind of ruff assed shuttem down dogs we caught way way more hogs and way way bigger hogs on a regular deal and I didnt even run a catch dog . I never owned a catch dog up untill last year are so and that was only because Cory and all my buddys run them. Na man Am going back to the old style of dogs caught way way way more hogs and bigger in a way way less amount of time and trouble . Run aint got noting to do with it these dogs can Run like the wind and all day long its the get in dat butt and stay there thats gonna get them stopped and caught on a big bad boy .
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 07:58:35 pm » |
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I agree with not trying to change a good thing but also believe you need to to take into considerations that the hogs are adapting to us also
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 07:59:40 pm » |
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Size of property is defenitely the issue for us... even on a 5k acre place, about impossible to contain a boar hog that wants to run with loose dogs... I'd rather not be able to find one than not be able to stop him when I do
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TexasHogDogs
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 08:08:20 pm » |
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This is just me and the kind of country we hunt Iam sure there is different types of dogs for different types of country . Over here if you ain't got the right amount of grit stop and some catch in them they gonna run all day long . I knocked the catch out of mine and look whats happened and apparently when you talk about knocking the catch out of dog you are also sacrificing a ton of stop power the two kinda running neck and neck . Knock one out and you gonna knock some of the other also that is what has hurt me .
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 08:15:58 pm » |
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Yup ....Lmao ! Ya its Brewing aint it ! |
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 08:20:49 pm » |
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about next month I am breeding a kemmer to a 1/2 redbone 1/4 pit 1/4 american bulldog to help put the brakes on these big boars...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 08:22:06 pm » |
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O am sure they have leared to run and adapt to all the dogs running and chasing them sure man you know that has happened no doubt . But I can tell you one thing when we were running the right kind of ruff assed shuttem down dogs we caught way way more hogs and way way bigger hogs on a regular deal and I didnt even run a catch dog . I never owned a catch dog up untill last year are so and that was only because Cory and all my buddys run them. Na man Am going back to the old style of dogs caught way way way more hogs and bigger in a way way less amount of time and trouble . Run aint got noting to do with it these dogs can Run like the wind and all day long its the get in dat butt and stay there thats gonna get them stopped and caught on a big bad boy .
What happened to all your old dogs? Seems like it would take a long time to breed that out of them? |
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Noah
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 08:25:04 pm » |
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Man, the line of dogs I started with were damn near straight catch by themself no matter the hog... caught alot of hogs and got beat up plenty.. so bred my best gyp to a dog with no catch... not convinced of the results thus far... dogs hunt their ass off, but are trying to bay hogs that should be caught... plain and simple. Next breeding, going back to the rough  |
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 08:27:08 pm » |
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TX, how long ago was it when you had the rough super dogs? I had the same kinda dogs 15 years ago and caught piles of pork but them same dogs wouldn't do as well on alot of the places we hunt now days.
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 08:27:38 pm » |
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Very interesting posts. I guess it comes down to the "style" of dogs a man likes. I agree hogs have changed. I think this also depends on the area that you are hunting. If I had a lot of hogs and I could find very fresh sign, I would have some rough dogs. If you hunted where I hunt you would see that sign is not always fresh. It takes a cold nose dog to trail nad find the hogs. That is why I use plotts.
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