Hog sticking???

[TShelly]

But what is the hog population now compared to what it was twenty years ago?  What were the landowners attitudes about barring or catch and released as opposed to now?  I'm pretty sure I would fall under the description of a "weekend warrior" hog hunter, and I'll tell you right now that I'm just doing what my landowners want, which is the most important thing when it comes to keeping a place to hunt.  What do you think would happen if I had somebody call me about hogs tearing up this or that, and I want out there, caught a boar, cut him and turned him loose and the landowner found out?  It better be a set of nuts worth mounting because they probably just cost you a place to hunt.

If my original post was read and properly interpreted I DID say that I understand where hogs should NOT be released on destructive properties or farm land.... Meaning places where you are brought in to remove an Kill hogs.

Jeez I understand not to go against landowners wishes, that's how properties are lost. we dont just cut everyhog where we catch him an cut him back loose. We have properties where it is forbidden to leave with anything dead.

In general though our group of hog hunters work the hogs like livestock. That's also why we catch 20+ barr's a year.

We will stick them and kill them in certain situations when the action is called for or required!

Thats fine if it works for you, BUT DONT FORCE YOUR STYLE ON ME! Thats the problem...Sticking hogs is good for the eco system farmers cattle deer etc etc etc. I personally work 6 days a wk and have church on sunday and 2 kids, I simply dont have time to do anything but get the dogs on a lead and get home, and to the pleasure of the landowners I hunt for kill more hogs by not wasting any time messing with a caught one AND THERE ISNT A DANG THING WRONG WITH THAT!

First of all, I could care less what you do with your hogs, we are gonna catch ours regardless!! And I am not forcing an opinion on anyone, I already stated that I agree to killing hogs for the properties that warrant it. it's all how people enjoy the hunting, for some it is a quick trip to the woods like you said to get as many as you can.

We obviously hunt differently than you, alot of our time spent hunting is to enjoy the dog work and catch a trophy hog! An a trophy hog to us is a 300+ Barr hog in most cases. That being said we also hunt different country. How much damage can a hog do to 5k acres of pine plantation!? And most of these places where we cut hogs are deer leases, not private ownership land.

I don't know what your problem is with me, I was just agreeing to the fact of the young man that started this thread. While agreeing with the opposing side as well. You are now forcing your opinion on me that it is better to stick and leave the meat in the woods, since they are varmints and all

[SCHitemHard]

fellas fellas opinions are welcome. we all take hogs regardless. the young man was just voicing his opinion and we should respect each others while the topic is still open.

[halfbreed]

tshelly thing only flaw i see in your idiology is that the hogs don't STAY in the pine forest they breed and spread all across the land following the mast and food sources and then they breed and spread and breed and spread . now with that said i do not like leaving them to lay  for the yotes cause i hate helping them reproduce as well . we do all we can to salvage the meat and feed the needy and the hungry and the folks that just plain luv bbq wild hog . my truck is a rolling butcher shop

[TShelly]

tshelly thing only flaw i see in your idiology is that the hogs don't STAY in the pine forest they breed and spread all across the land following the mast and food sources and then they breed and spread and breed and spread . now with that said i do not like leaving them to lay  for the yotes cause i hate helping them reproduce as well . we do all we can to salvage the meat and feed the needy and the hungry and the folks that just plain luv bbq wild hog . my truck is a rolling butcher shop

I'm not talking about turning sows loose though, and once their nuts are removed, there is no more breeding involved! I do agree they will travel though. He is simply there to fatten up and be harvested once his boar taint has been reduced from the meat, making him edible. Which we then process out and feed family and friends

[OCD]

You are hunting a species that with no natural eneimies, therefore no way to control there numbers, so i say to each there own.
It realy depends on the place i am hunting, some places i will lose if we turn pigs out, some we can cut and turn loose, and if i have people asking for meat i will call them to come get the meat. But the way i see it if you are going to hog hunt you have to be willing to do all that comes with it. JMO

[bob]

every body has there own style and way of hunting , every one likes a diffrent style of dog from long to short range , rough to stay back  , but we all luv one sport , dont let the little stuff seperate us , just my 2 cents

[OCD]

every body has there own style and way of hunting , every one likes a diffrent style of dog from long to short range , rough to stay back  , but we all luv one sport , dont let the little stuff seperate us , just my 2 cents

well said

[CentralTex 254]

Kudos

[Bama36502]

We hunt the places we hunt because we do as the landowner wants.. If they dont want any hogs takin out alive we dispatch the hog acordingly... Weather it be knife or gun but that really depends on the situation at that time. Now on the other hand.. We do barr and turn loose most of the boars on our hunting lease simply because people like to shoot trouphy hogs and as dog hunters we enjoy catching big barrs.. Ive also heard of some people turning all the hogs they catch loose because they want to have a steady place to go and catch hogs and i dont have a problem with that at all thats there business and everybody has there own way of doing things but thats JMO.

[circleb54]

[Moon]

thers some that can and some that will but a real hog hunter loves to make a big hog squil !!! what u do with em after that is just different style as long as there out of the pasture and here in south tx we just get em killed any way we can

[S_J_KENNELS]

thers some that can and some that will but a real hog hunter loves to make a big hog squil !!! what u do with em after that is just different style as long as there out of the pasture and here in south tx we just get em killed any way we can

x 2 LOL I would be hanging from the nearest tree if any of the farmers or ranchers found out I let any go or took any out alive where I hunt.

[blakebh]

But what is the hog population now compared to what it was twenty years ago?  What were the landowners attitudes about barring or catch and released as opposed to now?  I'm pretty sure I would fall under the description of a "weekend warrior" hog hunter, and I'll tell you right now that I'm just doing what my landowners want, which is the most important thing when it comes to keeping a place to hunt.  What do you think would happen if I had somebody call me about hogs tearing up this or that, and I want out there, caught a boar, cut him and turned him loose and the landowner found out?  It better be a set of nuts worth mounting because they probably just cost you a place to hunt.

I would definitly be classified in the weekend warrior category! LOL

Blake "weekend warriors" is a term we use loosely describing all groups of people and sports. I certainly dont see you as a weekend warrior, I meant more so the guys that get amped up about hog hunting. Get all into it for a year or two and then move on to something else..  I dont hog hunt for a living but being in school still we do try and hunt 3 or 4 times a week until summer hits

We tie 99% of the hogs we catch whether we are taking em out, butchering them or marking and barring them.  Tony said it best, we work em like livestock. I do understand on farmlands and places where you've been asked to kill or remove them, but that's rare for us. I enjoy catching big barrs though.

Thanks Ben

I know Tony just giving you a hard time. 

[treeingratterrier]

I'll try to keep this short.

I dont understand or agree with the hunters that are sticking hogs or just cutting heads of boars.  I would not classify myself as an "old timer", but I was trained by some "old timers".  Boars were made barrs and sows were left alone.  If we did/do catch hogs, they are caught alive and tied or hobbled.  Once all the dogs are caught and tied, we take the hog to the truck/4-wheeler or we bring the truck/4-wheeler to the hog alive.  If we are going to eat the hog, we take the hog home alive and them do the deed.  Maybe it is just a new breed of hunters or maybe people want to see hog sticking on you-tube.  Me persoanlly, I dont think it is cool to see some guy running in and sticking a hog before the hog is tied.   I know what the laws say about transporting live hogs, and the laws are different in different places.  I'm just saying I dont agree with it and I really dont care to see it.

I am the oppisite, cant beleive people risk there lives and dogs to waste time tying a $2 hog, shoot them or stick them and keep going is my motto, most big ranches dont want people on their ranches with a trailer that has been used to haul live hogs from all over the country especially if they have bangs or rabies in the area, there so many hogs in my area that ranchers compare mini 14s, ak57s and ar15s with high capacity cli[ps to see how many  hogs they had to leave laying in the woods, no way any dog hunter is going to keep up down here any more, to many hogs and getting worse every day, high fence deer operations can not risk diease as well and just trap and shoot year rould including dogs alas to my dismay but i can see why, there so many drop the tailgate illegals around here there are so many loose dogs left in the woods by hog dog hunters they been coming under the deer fences trying to find a home and meal, this county is prob one of the worse in texas i figure, u ought to see the snare trappers trophy collection of dog collars and pictures he shows new client ranch owners.........

[hoghunter71409]

Listen hear guys...I am not against a hunter killing an animal and kill them as you wish.  BUT U LISTEN To WHAT I AM GETTING READY TO TELL U.  The pig sticking videos and the cutting heads off that are posted on websites and youtube are going to be our demise.  Other topics on these forums about showing your cut up dogs and these pig sticking videos are going to get us in trouble.  Dog hunting in many states is already at risk.  FARMERS HEAR THIS....the guys that are catching your hogs and showing pig sticking videos and cutting heads off just to bragg about it, are the same guys you can blame when hog dogging becomes illegal.  I am fine with a hunter showing a picture of his kill or capture, but showing a actual video of it of the sticking in my mind is not right.  Fellas, kill what you want, but you better watch how you show it. 

[txhogsanddogs]

I'll try to keep this short.

I dont understand or agree with the hunters that are sticking hogs or just cutting heads of boars.  I would not classify myself as an "old timer", but I was trained by some "old timers".  Boars were made barrs and sows were left alone.  If we did/do catch hogs, they are caught alive and tied or hobbled.  Once all the dogs are caught and tied, we take the hog to the truck/4-wheeler or we bring the truck/4-wheeler to the hog alive.  If we are going to eat the hog, we take the hog home alive and them do the deed.  Maybe it is just a new breed of hunters or maybe people want to see hog sticking on you-tube.  Me persoanlly, I dont think it is cool to see some guy running in and sticking a hog before the hog is tied.   I know what the laws say about transporting live hogs, and the laws are different in different places.  I'm just saying I dont agree with it and I really dont care to see it.

not being rude however

a pig sticker has saved a many of dogs ive hunted behind for as long as i cemember what happens when you got a bad hog bayed and several dogs hanging off ears,legs, anywhere they can and your not able to throw a rope or get a shot off?

You grab a leg ,flip him, and get him tied!  

[txhogsanddogs]

I'll try to keep this short.

I dont understand or agree with the hunters that are sticking hogs or just cutting heads of boars.  I would not classify myself as an "old timer", but I was trained by some "old timers".  Boars were made barrs and sows were left alone.  If we did/do catch hogs, they are caught alive and tied or hobbled.  Once all the dogs are caught and tied, we take the hog to the truck/4-wheeler or we bring the truck/4-wheeler to the hog alive.  If we are going to eat the hog, we take the hog home alive and them do the deed.  Maybe it is just a new breed of hunters or maybe people want to see hog sticking on you-tube.  Me persoanlly, I dont think it is cool to see some guy running in and sticking a hog before the hog is tied.   I know what the laws say about transporting live hogs, and the laws are different in different places.  I'm just saying I dont agree with it and I really dont care to see it.

I completely agree! I don't mind not turning sows back loose from a population stand point. But almost all boar hogs are cut and released where we are and transported to a barr rich hunting lease and kicked loose.

I agree it is a new trend, most old timers are as you describe. I do understand the aspect of not turning hogs back loose on crop land or destructive properties. To me narrowing and tieing hogs is a lost art! I contribute this to the rather large new, influx of weekend warrior hog hunters

x50!!!  I guess it was just the way i was brought up. 

[hillcountry]

Yuo come to the hillcountry with just a piece of rope and you will be useing it for a tourniquet.  you will have a large vet bill and no places to hunt these ranchers dont play that game.

[txhogsanddogs]

I'll try to keep this short.

I dont understand or agree with the hunters that are sticking hogs or just cutting heads of boars.  I would not classify myself as an "old timer", but I was trained by some "old timers".  Boars were made barrs and sows were left alone.  If we did/do catch hogs, they are caught alive and tied or hobbled.  Once all the dogs are caught and tied, we take the hog to the truck/4-wheeler or we bring the truck/4-wheeler to the hog alive.  If we are going to eat the hog, we take the hog home alive and them do the deed.  Maybe it is just a new breed of hunters or maybe people want to see hog sticking on you-tube.  Me persoanlly, I dont think it is cool to see some guy running in and sticking a hog before the hog is tied.   I know what the laws say about transporting live hogs, and the laws are different in different places.  I'm just saying I dont agree with it and I really dont care to see it.

I am the oppisite, cant beleive people risk there lives and dogs to waste time tying a $2 hog, shoot them or stick them and keep going is my motto, most big ranches dont want people on their ranches with a trailer that has been used to haul live hogs from all over the country especially if they have bangs or rabies in the area, there so many hogs in my area that ranchers compare mini 14s, ak57s and ar15s with high capacity cli[ps to see how many  hogs they had to leave laying in the woods, no way any dog hunter is going to keep up down here any more, to many hogs and getting worse every day, high fence deer operations can not risk diease as well and just trap and shoot year rould including dogs alas to my dismay but i can see why, there so many drop the tailgate illegals around here there are so many loose dogs left in the woods by hog dog hunters they been coming under the deer fences trying to find a home and meal, this county is prob one of the worse in texas i figure, u ought to see the snare trappers trophy collection of dog collars and pictures he shows new client ranch owners.........

I don't know where you come up with most landowners don't want you on there places with hog trailers???  I am a very lucky guy then because I've got more land than most and i remove everything alive.  If you show your making progress and keep your mouth closed these hog could end up anywhere.  Not saying i cut them loose but most of them make it to the sale where i cover my cost every year.  I run this as a side business and I'm also ahead every year.  Not getting into all this because everyone has different opiouns and it really doesn't matter cause I'm going to keep catching and tieing.  Nothing wrong with everyone else stabbing them, i just prefer tieing. 

[txhogsanddogs]

Yuo come to the hillcountry with just a piece of rope and you will be useing it for a tourniquet.  you will have a large vet bill and no places to hunt these ranchers dont play that game.
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