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« on: January 30, 2012, 06:40:32 pm » |
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I keep my two dogs in the backyard. Not kenneled, just in the yard. I also have a sow I am feeding out to slaughter. The hog pen and yard are seperated by a chain link fence so the dogs have full view of the hog all of the time and the only thing seperating them is a chain link fence. I have had them in the pen baying that hog up and they do, every time I send them to do it. For the most part, they leave the hog alone unless I send them to it.
I took them to the woods yesterday and they didn't do as well as I thought they should. Granted, it was the lacy's first time in the woods, and the first time since deer season that the ybm has been out. But, they seemed to show a general lack of interest yesterday.
My question is, am I hurting their will to hunt by having them in close proximity to a hog 24/7?
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 06:53:21 pm » |
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yes and no . if they are young they should be giving every hog they see hell . now my older dogs got to know the differance in the hog pen and the woods . my old cat wouldn't even bay hogs in my pen . he didn't see the point in it i guess . but he was an extra special dog .
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 06:55:38 pm » |
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i have my young dogs around my bay pen and it has never hurt
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 07:07:46 pm » |
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yes and no . if they are young they should be giving every hog they see hell . now my older dogs got to know the differance in the hog pen and the woods . my old cat wouldn't even bay hogs in my pen . he didn't see the point in it i guess . but he was an extra special dog .
X2. My brothers cat did the same thing but was a hell of a strike dog
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 07:28:29 pm » |
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The lacy pup has done fairly well in the baypen the one time I took her. She almost took third... I have hunted behind this black mouth with the man I got her from and he would find his own hog and catch it if it was small. It was like hunting with a different dog this time around though, and the only difference between the way I keep him and the way he was kept before is he was on a chain before and now he is loose in a decent sized yard. I also feed him more.
Now I have heard that a hungry dog hunts better, but I cannot stand to see a dogs backbone and or ribs.
I think the pup is just lacking confidence, but she wouldn't hardly leave my side Sunday, and the ybm didn't go out with my buddy's lead dog, he went out by himself every time. I don't know if it was just strange dogs, strange place or what?
I don't think it should matter, bc when we hit the woods, and he's told to get ahead and hunt em up, thats what he should be doing regardless of whose around or where we are.
I didn't really know if they were just used to having that hog scent up their noses and it made em not want to hunt.
I appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks guys!
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 07:36:04 pm » |
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The lacy pup has done fairly well in the baypen the one time I took her. She almost took third... I have hunted behind this black mouth with the man I got her from and he would find his own hog and catch it if it was small. It was like hunting with a different dog this time around though, and the only difference between the way I keep him and the way he was kept before is he was on a chain before and now he is loose in a decent sized yard. I also feed him more.
Now I have heard that a hungry dog hunts better, but I cannot stand to see a dogs backbone and or ribs.
I think the pup is just lacking confidence, but she wouldn't hardly leave my side Sunday, and the ybm didn't go out with my buddy's lead dog, he went out by himself every time. I don't know if it was just strange dogs, strange place or what?
I don't think it should matter, bc when we hit the woods, and he's told to get ahead and hunt em up, thats what he should be doing regardless of whose around or where we are.
I didn't really know if they were just used to having that hog scent up their noses and it made em not want to hunt.
I appreciate any and all feedback. Thanks guys!
A hungry dog does not hunt better. a healthy dog hunts better. I have pigs all around my yard and i dont think it hurts anything. dogs have off days just like we do, feed them hog tracks as they say. just last weekend I saw one of the best dogs i have hunted behind walk beside the ranger most of the day but when we got him in hog sign he was back to his old self. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 07:55:48 pm » |
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What did the bmc do ?
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 08:02:02 pm » |
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What did the bmc do ?
He found, bayed and killed his own shoat. and he honored the black and tan's bay when they hunted up a small boar. He grabbed a leg after we sent the cd in on the boar. He also spent a lot of time at the buggy, not out with his nose down with the other 2. |
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 08:14:25 pm » |
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I would say yes due to the dogs are still young.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 08:30:52 pm » |
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Yes
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 09:28:17 pm » |
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yes? as in its not good to have them around a hog they aren't hunting? what do you suggest I do to undo any damage ive done? |
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 08:18:20 pm » |
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i can only say what we do at my house . dogs that want to be somebody are kept on a chain ... else they will get shot for harassing the neighbors stock 1/2 mile away . the other one is gaurdian of the front porch , and goes to a bay ( most of the time ) . anything else is elimanated from the feed sack and the gene pool as soon as it is recognised .  |
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 07:19:44 am » |
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Keep in mind BMC is a cur, a jam up dog of your buddies may not be for you, at least for a while. I would say keep hunting him and build a connection to the dog. I have a leopard dog that I have had a month now and been around him daily and hunted him 3-4 days a week. He is just now coming around. If you know the dog is good just let him learn you.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 10:35:00 am » |
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I had some pigs in a trailer where the dogs couldn't even see them and they went apenumber 2 for the whole time they were there. I can't imagine having hogs that close where they could see them!
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 06:47:51 pm » |
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I had some pigs in a trailer where the dogs couldn't even see them and they went apenumber 2 for the whole time they were there. I can't imagine having hogs that close where they could see them!
for the first day or so, they did. But now, the only time I know of they bother it is when the follow me out to feed her. |
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 07:05:10 pm » |
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eventually the dogs will learn that the hog in the pen should be left alone...just remember that training a dog to hunt hogs is one thing...and making the dogs shut up when they are barking at the pig in the pen is also training...training the dog to not bark at a hog...just saying this so you can be on the look out so that you are training correctly and not sending the wrong messages to the dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 07:15:00 pm » |
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A hungry dog does not hunt better. a healthy dog hunts better. I have pigs all around my yard and i dont think it hurts anything. dogs have off days just like we do, feed them hog tracks as they say. just last weekend I saw one of the best dogs i have hunted behind walk beside the ranger most of the day but when we got him in hog sign he was back to his old self. [/quote] a hungry dog might hunt better if he is a little on the hungry side because it is my opinion that his predator instincts are more focused on hunting than when he has a full stomach...but the dog needs to be healthy and at a good hunting weight so he can perform at his best...but the dog must not be overweight because he will not be as fast as he can be and also there is the possibility of over heating with the excess weight... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 08:28:47 pm » |
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i was not saying feed them a bowl of feed before hunting. Just saying a dog in good shape will hunt better than one that is starved down.  as far as pigs on the same yard goes... my dogs know what pen they can bark at. the show pigs are a NO NO and the the bay pen I dont say a word to them. They have it figured out pretty good. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 09:51:25 pm » |
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i was not saying feed them a bowl of feed before hunting. Just saying a dog in good shape will hunt better than one that is starved down. as far as pigs on the same yard goes... my dogs know what pen they can bark at. the show pigs are a NO NO and the the bay pen I dont say a word to them. They have it figured out pretty good. xs2 |
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2012, 10:24:34 am » |
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Easy answer! Anytime you leave a dog loose, especially if they are young and not trained yet, they get to let all their energy out in the back yard. If they are kenneled or on a chain, they build up energy and frustration to get out and work. I believe the pups should stay kenneled until it is time to train. This lets me know that they will give all their energy to the task at hand.
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