Hounds- The original hunting dog!

[waylon-N.E. OK]

So after seeing post after post and comment after comment where people bash hounds I wanted to stand up for the ol flop eared dog and give another angle on them.

People on here are about 80% yella dog fans with the other breeds filling the rest of the small %. Nothing wrong with ybc but, I'm a fan myself. what about hounds

Hounds, called babblers, dumb, slow, weak ect. but How many times has a person ever bred a cur to hound to get more nose? more hunt? more bottom? more range? in there hounds. Never, but what do you breed a cur dog to if you need those things = Hounds 9 out of 10 times

How many big game outfitters make there living using curs? How many with hounds = most probably 95% or better. These guys either catch the game or the kids don't eat, there not out there to listen to dogs babble, it's do or die

How many curs where used in the west and north west to track down killer bears and lions that were destroying ranch stock as this country was being founded? Can you name a single famous big game hunter who ran a pack of curs = nope, how about hounds = to many to list, ever heard of Ben Lilly?

What breed of dog was first brought to Africa to hunt dangerous big cats= hounds

What dog has been used to track men who HAD to be caught killers, rapist escaped from prisons = hounds

I looked on a web site not long ago of a fella who had at the time one of the best Yella dogs alive according to those in the know, guess what in every single pic where there were hogs bayed I noticed in the back ground or off to the side one thing = Hounds

Go anywhere in the world you find hounds hunting, be it big game or small, fast or slow, tough or weak. Look far back into these curs and you find hound blood lurking in there some where I bet.

Curs can hunt, we all know that. But hounds are what is used when conditions are rough, game is hard to find, trails are cold, or the game in question must be to be caught no matter what.

Hounds = The original hunting dog!

[Bar R Ranch]

So after seeing post after post and comment after comment where people bash hounds I wanted to stand up for the ol flop eared dog and give another angle on them.

People on here are about 80% yella dog fans with the other breeds filling the rest of the small %. Nothing wrong with ybc but, I'm a fan myself. what about hounds

Hounds, called babblers, dumb, slow, weak ect. but How many times has a person ever bred a cur to hound to get more nose? more hunt? more bottom? more range? in there hounds. Never, but what do you breed a cur dog to if you need those things = Hounds 9 out of 10 times

How many big game outfitters make there living using curs? How many with hounds = most probably 95% or better. These guys either catch the game or the kids don't eat, there not out there to listen to dogs babble, it's do or die

How many curs where used in the west and north west to track down killer bears and lions that were destroying ranch stock as this country was being founded? Can you name a single famous big game hunter who ran a pack of curs = nope, how about hounds = to many to list, ever heard of Ben Lilly?

What breed of dog was first brought to Africa to hunt dangerous big cats= hounds

What dog has been used to track men who HAD to be caught killers, rapist escaped from prisons = hounds

I looked on a web site not long ago of a fella who had at the time one of the best Yella dogs alive according to those in the know, guess what in every single pic where there were hogs bayed I noticed in the back ground or off to the side one thing = Hounds

Go anywhere in the world you find hounds hunting, be it big game or small, fast or slow, tough or weak. Look far back into these curs and you find hound blood lurking in there some where I bet.

Curs can hunt, we all know that. But hounds are what is used when conditions are rough, game is hard to find, trails are cold, or the game in question must be to be caught no matter what.

Hounds = The original hunting dog!

Good post.... Ill go ahead and put the popcorn in the microwave

[waylon-N.E. OK]

" Good post.... Ill go ahead and put the popcorn in the microwave " 

[firemedic]

Good topic,....I can't wait to see what all comes out of this. Now y'all play nice.

[TexasHogDogs]

Well I got my Jack and Coke sipping on it wait'n to see this one !

I am glad I like both and like my dogs mixed. 

Yall get to'er hear !

[Wmwendler]

 ............Let me start by saying any part I have in this discussion is my opinion and is all in good humor.  A little pot stirring yes, but not really bashing.

Also there is WAY more to Cur dogs than the Color Yellow.....just wanted to get that straight.

So after seeing post after post and comment after comment where people bash hounds I wanted to stand up for the ol flop eared dog and give another angle on them.

People on here are about 80% yella dog fans with the other breeds filling the rest of the small %. Nothing wrong with ybc but, I'm a fan myself. what about hounds

Hounds, called babblers, dumb, slow, weak ect. but How many times has a person ever bred a cur to hound to get more nose? more hunt? more bottom? more range? in there hounds. Never, but what do you breed a cur dog to if you need those things = Hounds 9 out of 10 times

How many big game outfitters make there living using curs? How many with hounds = most probably 95% or better. These guys either catch the game or the kids don't eat, there not out there to listen to dogs babble, it's do or die

This is a hog hunting web site as you know.  Hogs are livestock not really big game..... but I will play.  I only know one guy who hunts big game with dogs.  Cougars and Bears.  He's not an outfitter but the goal is the same.  He actually has a Wethorfords Ben bred Cur dog that contributes allot to getting the game treed.  His cur cannot compete with his hounds in cold trailing, but then again weathorfords been bred dogs are not known or bred for thier cold nose.
How many curs where used in the west and north west to track down killer bears and lions that were destroying ranch stock as this country was being founded? Can you name a single famous big game hunter who ran a pack of curs = nope, how about hounds = to many to list, ever heard of Ben Lilly?

You mentioned the west and northwest but what about the South.  Plenty of Cur dogs were being used to track and kill problem bears and cougars on the parts of the frontier that had cur dogs.  Florida, Luisiana, Texas.  There is a great example in the big thicket legacy if you've ever read that book.  Also you cannot forget about the mountain Cur and the American Leopard Cur which recently was changed to the American Leopard Hound   They get used on big game all the time, exp. bears

What breed of dog was first brought to Africa to hunt dangerous big cats= hounds

The rodesian ridgeback?  Hunts more like a Cur than a hound in my opinion
What dog has been used to track men who HAD to be caught killers, rapist escaped from prisons = hounds


I looked on a web site not long ago of a fella who had at the time one of the best Yella dogs alive according to those in the know, guess what in every single pic where there were hogs bayed I noticed in the back ground or off to the side one thing = Hounds

I can't really comment not knowing about any of those dogs.  Maybe he had a good freind that liked hounds??
Go anywhere in the world you find hounds hunting, be it big game or small, fast or slow, tough or weak. Look far back into these curs and you find hound blood lurking in there some where I bet.

If the rest of the world had cur dogs, they would be using them.  Cur dogs originated in the USA after the rest of the world was colinated.  Why do you never hear about people importing hounds into Australia from USA to hunt hogs?  Because they are not doing it.  They are doing it with Cur dogs.[/color]
Curs can hunt, we all know that. But hounds are what is used when conditions are rough, game is hard to find, trails are cold, or the game in question must be to be caught no matter what.

Hounds = The original hunting dog!

[Wmwendler]

Yes....sometimes people cross hounds into Curs.  For what reason is beyond me.  I've seen it create far more culls than solid dogs hog dogs.    All it does is water down the good traits of the curs, and bring in the bad of the hounds.

Waylon

[T-Bob Parker]

You know lions wolves and bears ain't a problem in Texas? CUR DOGS!! And we're working on the hogs 

[Reuben]

So after seeing post after post and comment after comment where people bash hounds I wanted to stand up for the ol flop eared dog and give another angle on them.

People on here are about 80% yella dog fans with the other breeds filling the rest of the small %. Nothing wrong with ybc but, I'm a fan myself. what about hounds

Hounds, called babblers, dumb, slow, weak ect. but How many times has a person ever bred a cur to hound to get more nose? more hunt? more bottom? more range? in there hounds. Never, but what do you breed a cur dog to if you need those things = Hounds 9 out of 10 times

How many big game outfitters make there living using curs? How many with hounds = most probably 95% or better. These guys either catch the game or the kids don't eat, there not out there to listen to dogs babble, it's do or die

How many curs where used in the west and north west to track down killer bears and lions that were destroying ranch stock as this country was being founded? Can you name a single famous big game hunter who ran a pack of curs = nope, how about hounds = to many to list, ever heard of Ben Lilly?

What breed of dog was first brought to Africa to hunt dangerous big cats= hounds

What dog has been used to track men who HAD to be caught killers, rapist escaped from prisons = hounds

I looked on a web site not long ago of a fella who had at the time one of the best Yella dogs alive according to those in the know, guess what in every single pic where there were hogs bayed I noticed in the back ground or off to the side one thing = Hounds

Go anywhere in the world you find hounds hunting, be it big game or small, fast or slow, tough or weak. Look far back into these curs and you find hound blood lurking in there some where I bet.

Curs can hunt, we all know that. But hounds are what is used when conditions are rough, game is hard to find, trails are cold, or the game in question must be to be caught no matter what.

Hounds = The original hunting dog!

amen to this one...

the best hog dogs I personally saw in the past had some hound in them...a lot of the curs would only take a smoking hot track and would pass up or quit a lot of hogs. but mtn cur type dogs were bred to be all around dogs but the main purpose was to hunt squirrel, coon, boar and bear...that was their primary purpose but just like any other breed they have been bred right by some breeders and others have bred them like fiest dogs... some are bred to be long range  like they were originally intended to be bred and used and now as the hunting tracts are getting smaller some breeders are breeding short range smaller type squirrel dogs...

they say that the plott has mtn cur and others say it is the other way around...it doesn't matter to me how it happened but I do know that the mtn cur has a lot of hound in them and some strains have more than others...

[TexasHogDogs]

Yes....sometimes people cross hounds into Curs.  For what reason is beyond me.  I've seen it create far more culls than solid dogs hog dogs.    All it does is water down the good traits of the curs, and bring in the bad of the hounds.

Waylon

Lmao !   Woooooooooooo weeeeee I might have to put my gloves on for that one LOL !

[ROCKIN ROO HOG DOGS]

Every thing you have stated is true waylon,but it is only relevant to the type of game the hounds were used on,cats coon and bear all species that will tree.....hence the use of loud,trail barking dogs. Its obvious through trial and error for many years that curs have proven to be the superior dog for hunting hogs,due to the ability to run a track SILENTLY! I think any dog man appreciates all working dogs and what they are bred to do SPECIFICALLY,but.........with this being a hog hunting forum,your always going to come up against th tunnel visioned handlers that only like a good hog dog. I myself love to watch a good rabbit dog work as much as i do a cow dog or coon dog etc etc. That being said,you know ive been a passionate yella dog man for years,mainly tolson dogs when i could get them,but just last week i went down the road and got me a bluetick hound puppy to mess with,im not biased and am up for the challenge,hes 8 weeks old and nose to the ground everywhere but i love him and he will get a chance on my yard,glad to see you posting up again waylon,hope all is well with you and the family.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

I'm not looking for a fight, but ain't scared of one either. Really what I'm trying to do is point out that the cur dog is not the end all of hunting dogs and will never replace the hound for absolute must catch game dog -NEVER

Now to respond to the other Waylon's remarks - Yes you know one person who runs a cur with hounds, but how many pack of all curs are out there where the game is hard to find and the ground is dry and hard?

When I mentioned the west and north west I included New Mexico to California and north into Montana, that covers dry arid ground,  hard stoney ground, cold frozen ground, deep thick forest ect. pretty much every terrain one can think of. Now as I mentioned Ben Lilly, a man who hunted bounty animals from Louisiana to old mexico to the far north, 100% hound hunter, Then there is the lee brother, Wiley Carrol and on and on all 100% hounds- no curs. Why because curs were stock dogs and farm/ranch dogs. Why didn't those local cowboys just load up there curs and go catch the lions and bears instead of sending frantic letters for the old hound men to " come quick " ?

The mountain cur - do you honestly doubt it has hound blood flowing in it's veins

Leopard hound, yes once called cur. Common knowledge that this dog had it's origin from the hound and some cur while still hidden in the Carolinas. I knew Veral Keeter personally, trained a leopard for him named " Danny " in early 2000, Veral who's brother was one of the first men to own this breed after registry and one of the men who discovered the breed. Now this dog has had more hound blood bred into it, so much so that the breed had a name change, but I'm sure this was done because in it's former state is was to good at hunting and people wanted to bring down it's natural ability by adding hound blood  

Ridgeback - so great a dog that when rich hunters in Africa wanted to hunt the big spotted cat's that they sent and paid for Dale Lee to bring his hounds all the way from America to get the job done, I'm sure they just han't ever heard of the ridgeback yet  

The cur dog man owned these hounds, they were all plotts. When I checked into why he had them I was told " he runs them because when he starts a hog he wants it caught no matter what "

You don't need a cur down under I guess, seems they are so many hogs that they catch them with about any dog and a heart beat - http://www.boardogs.com/Boardogs_Breed_Information.htm

Again, I'm not looking for a fight or to argue, but I'm tired of hearing all the trash talk about hounds. Maybe where you live curs are best, but outside of East Texas there are some places believe it or not that curs are not looked upon with such honor. Like I said I like curs, but there no hounds! - Waylon

[monroes dogs]

amen  got to love them hounds i like hunting both but love to her the race and the insanley loud bay

[waylon-N.E. OK]

" curs have proven to be the superior dog for hunting hogs,due to the ability to run a track SILENTLY! "

So Jimmy hounds were never used to bay lol Come on you know better than that and if you comment is true then a silent hound would have to be the " PERFECT HOG DOG " correct?

[waylon-N.E. OK]

" You know lions wolves and bears ain't a problem in Texas? " Really T-bob go to extreme south west Texas, look up the most famous lion hunter still living Henry Mcintre see what type of dog he is using in TEXAS to hunt lions that ARE STILL A BIG PROBLEM. Here is a link. Oh and T-bob why were you wanting some July HOUNDS again???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZxipU6ypM

[TexasHogDogs]

I love hounds andI agree with you on the hounds but when it comes to chasing hogs I perfer the straight cur are Cur Hound cross there is only one reason I dont run full Hounds and that is the only reason they are to open mouth for me on track and just push and push hogs dont like it never will.  But the weird thing about it is for anything else coon what ever I would own noting but hounds because I  love to hear the music the tune up in the woods .  I love everthing about a Hound even the mouth but not on hogs.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

TexasHogDogs - I agree in East Texas where hogs are hunted often with dogs a silent dog is probably better. I never said open dogs were better hog dogs, nor did I ever say hounds were better than curs. All I'm saying is the cur has his place = short races , hotter tracks, stock work.

But the hounds own the rest IMO = tough tracks, BIG game, fast game long running game ie. coyote, deer, lions

So it seems the general opinions is the cur is great because they are silent. So lets all get hounds and breed silent ones.

The cur dog as I see it was bred to work stock( hogs, sheep, goats, cow;s), protect home/farm/ranch kids and wife used catch varmints. The cur can not compare to the hound in bottom, nose, desire to catch it's prey come hell or high water. The hound can compare in brains or use as an all around dog, the hound has ONE burning desire to hunt

[ROCKIN ROO HOG DOGS]

I never said hounds were never used to BAY,and yes if hounds were silent on track i believe in ,my own heart they would be the superior hog dog. As a matter of fact the best strike dog i had was a silent walker hound......the trouble is finding one that is and wont push hogs like jim says,but to contradict myself,i also believe if the dog is open yet has enough bottom he will get the job done anyways. These few and far between oklahoma hogs are the reason im trying my hound pup,hell im even thinking of another one too if i have the room,its time to change somethin around here,the curs are just not ranging enough to get it done. I apoligize to the yellow dog gods for my blasphemy but i need to catch some pork!!

[Reuben]

 some hounds are fast on track  and quick to locate and they cross over good with a cur...one of the best dogs I ever had was 1/2 mtn cur and 1/2 bmc. he was semi open but could straighten out a track and make it look easy.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

" I apoligize to the yellow dog gods for my blasphemy but i need to catch some pork!! " - now your coming around

That's what I'm saying, curs have no where near enough bottom as a general rule, you will like that hound. Ever seen running walkers get on a hog, that mouth doesn't hurt them at all. if your dogs are fast, mouth is not that big of a deal.