Hounds- The original hunting dog!

[TexasHogDogs]

Lmao.

[tnhillbilly]

LOL.   

[waylon-N.E. OK]

" lets see how mant hounds start comin out of the woodwork now! " 

I want to make it clear again, I'm not bashing curs, Hell no body loves a yella dog more than me, except maybe yellowblackmask, I'm just defending hounds cause on ETHD they get slammed a lot unfairly . We all pretty much agree silent dogs rule for hogs, no one argues that point to often. But that mouth on a hound get him in more trouble on here than it really deserves, if he is fast ie July, running walker ect. that mouth is not as big a deal as some think. Hounds run open mouth behind every other animal on earth and do a fine job of catching them. Besides if a silent dog has a hog break bay do you really think that the hog stops and listens and say's to him self " Well I don't hear anything so I'll relax and go back to rooting " I hardly think so. These animals have had to out run bear, tigers over seas and every other killer beast all of which ran silent tracks, hell even stalked like the cats do and the hog gets away many times anyway.

 Again i'm not saying silent isn't better but if your silent curs get to rangy then there hard to find and your depending on a garmin or the likes, with a hound all you do is find a hill and listen for that mouth. So it's not always so bad IMO.

Cur's are smarter dogs it seems, or at least not as hard headed maybe, either way that's the case. all these statements are " in general " certain lines have certain traits, they vary from one line to the next so much that despite looks there not even the same dogs.

I want the handle, brains, mouth of a cur with the bottom, nose, feet, looks and drive of a hound. But I want it all with the heart of a pit bull.

It's damn good to see the hound get a little respect on here for a change by the way - God Bless, Waylon

[waylon-N.E. OK]

"    Mr. Waylon, I like your fire and I bet if somebody hit you in the head with an ax all they would do is ruin a good ax, and i mean that in a good way with all due respect "

Lance Thanks for the compliment by the way. Should have said it before now- God Bless, Waylon.

[BarrNinja]

My favorite thing about hounds are the guys that hunt them!       Their new spokes person from Oklahoma seems like my kind of people too! haha.

[TexasHogDogs]

And These Are The Days Of Our Lives !  LOL

[Mike]

Besides if a silent dog has a hog break bay do you really think that the hog stops and listens and say's to him self " Well I don't hear anything so I'll relax and go back to rooting " I hardly think so.

...and that my friends, you can take to the bank!

We see it almost daily... "dog for sale, opens after hog breaks"... ha ha ha!!!

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

This was the last picture I took from a hound bay! 

Guess you can" Tree my Hog" .         LMAO..  OWEOOOOOO YOOOW YOOOW YOOW

[TexasHogDogs]

I never have understood that part of it myself.  Once that  hog breaks bay he aint gonna quit running till his hoofs fall off are he is just flat stopped.   Now the other part yeah silent tracking because if you are a convict and broke out of prison and you make it a long ways away and  your hiding out in the thick woods and you dont hear any sirens you gonna take it a little easy and if the cops are quite and sneak in on you you are busted  but if you hear a bunch of sirens closing in on you from a mile away you are gonna run like hell putting as much distance between you and them as you can!  That to me is thedraw back to me a open mouth hound.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

You bet TexasHogDogs - That hog might slow up after a while only be pushed if he hears the dog coming off in the distance chopping the track, but if the dogs are that far behind him at that point to where the hog gets the chance to take a breather when they all left the bay at the same time then my dogs are being blown away, or can't run a track gard enough to " push it "  be they hound or cur. Now that silent dog, who is usually a cur, because most hounds are open remember, anyway the cur in my experience will drop that hog track and came back in due to lack of bottom after things get tough, be it hog that flat refuses to stay bayed or the distance gets to far away, or they make a loss. Not always of course, some curs will go deep with a hog no matter what, but almost ALL hounds will stick to that hog unless there called off or caught at a road crossing.

It comes down to what works for you, if you feed the dogs then hunt what you like. God Bless, Waylon

[treeingratterrier]

Every thing you have stated is true waylon,but it is only relevant to the type of game the hounds were used on,cats coon and bear all species that will tree.....hence the use of loud,trail barking dogs. Its obvious through trial and error for many years that curs have proven to be the superior dog for hunting hogs,due to the ability to run a track SILENTLY! I think any dog man appreciates all working dogs and what they are bred to do SPECIFICALLY,but.........with this being a hog hunting forum,your always going to come up against th tunnel visioned handlers that only like a good hog dog. I myself love to watch a good rabbit dog work as much as i do a cow dog or coon dog etc etc. That being said,you know ive been a passionate yella dog man for years,mainly tolson dogs when i could get them,but just last week i went down the road and got me a bluetick hound puppy to mess with,im not biased and am up for the challenge,hes 8 weeks old and nose to the ground everywhere but i love him and he will get a chance on my yard,glad to see you posting up again waylon,hope all is well with you and the family.

Running walker foxhounds are now and will be forever the best breed for hogs, there is not enuff land to run them on as acres have have become small where only a hotter nosed dog like the cur is used, people want to strike a hog asap and bay it asap, they want to go catch another one and do it again and go home, they dont want a pack of dogs running off the small places they are forced to hunt and giving mouth to wake up everybody and cause problems.  There has never been a cur dog strain that can cold trail, strike and drive like a running hound.  When we first got hogs enuff to have a straight hog dog pack we shocked our wold pack off of yotes and started running foxhounds in the pack with a few curs, we regulary had 5 to 8 miles races and tons of full cry curs and foxhounds on track as we followed them with cb radios, this was in the 60's.  Now that land has all been chained and whats regrowth is full of hogs and almost every hog dog pack is a blackmouth cur or catahoula with 2 or 3 bulldogs to have a short race and go home, the days on all night hog races and a pack of running walkers are almost all gone due to land to small and too many people.  Running walkers forever, go hunting with a fox or hunter or just to a fox pen if there are any left in oklahoma and watch runnig walkers run 24 hours straight and see what it takes to win a feild trial, no cur can do it, apples and oranges, running walkers did not get any sorrier and curs did not get any better, the land where they got hunted changed and caused this, I still remeber back in the day......

[Reuben]

with no hounds or curs/hound crosses...how long and how far has your cur dog pack stayed with a hog? how long will they bay?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Alright, count me in. I can't take any more nonsense from either side.

I don't care if you have been to the woods with a thousand different hounds, if you have not been to the woods with a single hound that can produce pork consistantly, your jaded opinion doesn't even matter to me. Huge difference in a hound wanting to trail, and a hound wanting to feel hide between their teeth. 

[Reuben]

Alright, count me in. I can't take any more nonsense from either side.

I don't care if you have been to the woods with a thousand different hounds, if you have not been to the woods with a single hound that can produce pork consistantly, your jaded opinion doesn't even matter to me. Huge difference in a hound wanting to trail, and a hound wanting to feel hide between their teeth. 

running to catch...or stop the game...that is a good mindset/trait a hog dog should have...

[Mike]

Alright, count me in. I can't take any more nonsense from either side.

I don't care if you have been to the woods with a thousand different hounds, if you have not been to the woods with a single hound that can produce pork consistantly, your jaded opinion doesn't even matter to me. Huge difference in a hound wanting to trail, and a hound wanting to feel hide between their teeth. 

Do you own these type hounds? Load them up and head to Texas... cause I'd sure like to see one.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Do you own these type hounds? Load them up and head to Texas... cause I'd sure like to see one.

Mike,

Feel free to come down this weekend or next. I'll be camping in a tent. Luckily, I have an extra I'm willing to share. I've got the sleeping bags being washed as I type this as well. Bring your curs, cur-hound x's, and a few catchdogs. When you want to rest yours, I'll drop mine. I'm sure we'll do well with both packs. 

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Cur = good dogs
hounds = good dogs

Both crossed = maybe the ideal dog?

Mike - Cutter - Bring both packs to Oklahoma as it's neutral ground and I'll judge the hunt 

[Mike]

Do you own these type hounds? Load them up and head to Texas... cause I'd sure like to see one.

Mike,

Feel free to come down this weekend or next. I'll be camping in a tent. Luckily, I have an extra I'm willing to share. I've got the sleeping bags being washed as I type this as well. Bring your curs, cur-hound x's, and a few catchdogs. When you want to rest yours, I'll drop mine. I'm sure we'll do well with both packs. 

It's your turn to make a road trip... them hounds need to see some different terrain. We'll drop them together and see how they do.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

No thanks on me taking the long ride. Got 2 kids under 3 years old at home. Between them and the dogs, no travel funds to use. Besides, I've seen curs work. You're the one that was wanting to see a good hound in action. Heck, bring Underdog along for the ride. He and I can talk coonhounds while you listen to my hounds bay.  Don't worry if the hounds get to putting it on the Texas crew, I'll box them. I ain't looking to cause no hard feelings. 

[Mike]

No thanks on me taking the long ride. Got 2 kids under 3 years old at home. Between them and the dogs, no travel funds to use. Besides, I've seen curs work. You're the one that was wanting to see a good hound in action. Heck, bring Underdog along for the ride. He and I can talk coonhounds while you listen to my hounds bay.  Don't worry if the hounds get to putting it on the Texas crew, I'll box them. I ain't looking to cause no hard feelings. 

Ha ha ha... ok.

They may put it on these Texas dogs... as all I have is an old crippled one and a bunch of young ones, but I would like to see some good hounds on hogs. I've hunted with a bunch and seen very few... may have to head to Florida one day.