Good Dogo's ????????????

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

My female Dogo has a good nose and will wind hogs from the truck, she will also put her nose down and run a track. She runs out front with my curs when I let her, ranging as much as a mile from where she was droped. I can carry her on the truck by herself and drop her on hogs I see, I can let her run with the curs and hunt, or I can lead her in to a bay. She catches very hard, 100% ear, and has great style. 105lbs 16 months old.

She is very fast, I have sent her to many bays from long range where the bay has broken and she has caught the hog ahead of the curs.

What I like about Dogo: Speed, nose, wind, can hunt, track, and catch on there own.

[hoghunterdfw]

Silverton Boars is right on with everything he said. I know it is not a big plus, but I also love that they are all white and easy to see in the field, even at night.  Hopefully it also helps deer hunters from mistakenly shooting your dog. All I can recommend for someone looking for a good hunting dogo is that if you are serious about spending $1000+ on a dogo, and actually have the money to committ, you should contact the people at PPC dogos in Denmark instead of trying to find one from a breeder in America. They will probably be able to get you a dogo paid for and shipped for about the same price as some of these BS money grubbing breeders we have locally. From what I have heard the Argentina breeders are even worse about lying about their dogs and selling people culls. If you do end up getting one locally make sure you get them to guarantee that the dog will catch at 6-9 mo. old, especially if you are paying big bucks for it.

[make-em-squeel]

hoghunterdfw's dogo is a catching machine I heard his brother uses his nose like a hound and catches. It is still alot of money for a cd no matter what, I just like the breed and they are great with my little girl ( my mom doesn't give me hell about having a pit with a 3 year old) so the price is worth it to me until they get gutted and i curse spending mor than a 100 on any cd. I have seen dogos who strike but then bay, or one that is just solid cd but not much hunt- not to say they will never strike one but not 500 yards out week after week. if yall know of one tell me i will by it ( raw pups need to prove themselves and be started a bit for $1,000). From the 2 i have owned vs. the avg. american bulldog the dogo did have alot more lung/stamina which only made a difference very few times after the bay broke and they were caught a mile away but it did save her life twice.   Mulemans argument could be made for the AB vs. the pit as well . Most abs i am around were sold for $500 compared to a 50-100$ pit. ?? who knows but the above posts made some great points - good job muleman on bringing up a good topic. Does your ab sound like a bus while on lead, a prissy point to make is that dogos seem to druel less and breathe more quiet in generel and $500 to a grand is alot of money for a damn catch dog no matter the breed.

[Scott]

Just a quick point...there are 3 different strains of ABs: Johnson, Performance (Scott type), and Hybrid (cross between the two). There is very little, if any, difference between a good Dogo and a good performance AB...I've hunted with both.

[dontejuan]

I know a guy that has bred a proven dogo that he retired to keep the blood in Texas. 

Not sure of the costs yet or even if she took but will see.

500 to hunters I'm guessing.

[TColt]

bought a registered dogo pup for $600 that is a jam up catch dog, he is a runt at only about 70 lbs but i use him as a one out on occasion, a running catch dog, and a lead in catch dog, he has stuck his own pigs before and ran down many that i have just seen in a pasture, caught a 250 lb sow one out last weekend. Chad White also bred some awesome dogo's out of his stud Rebel and the gyp he used to have  Lilly. They were not registered but papers dont make them hunt any better.

[Scott]

They were not registered but papers dont make them hunt any better.

That is true, but I think most people miss the point of "papers"...It's not that the dog is registered, but that it has a traceable pedigree. The pedigree is what is important, not the actual registration by a kennel club. A pedigree is a very useful tool when it comes to breeding, a pedigree tells you what a dog should be. And by being able to trace back to dogs that were 4, 6, 8, 10 generations back and get information regarding their work ethic, traits, etc. it increases your chances of producing dogs that have the same desireable traits. If utilized appropriately, it can be a key element in consistently producing quality working dogs.

[muleman]

Make em squeal: I dont think there is any comparison between ABs and pits. I used to have nothing but pits. Not the same animal in my opinion.

My AB has no issues with breathing (scott type) and he has plenty of wind. I have not given him the oportunity to find his own pig but I have full confidence that he would. And, if he found one he could catch it and hold it by himself. He can be on lead or off, doesnt drag you down when he is on lead. I have never had him jump on another dog even when another dog is being fussy (something i cant say about most pits not all.) the guy I hunt with (Hog stalker) has an AB female that is the same way. I cannot comment on Dogos really I have yet to hunt with one. I know there are good ones and bad ones. just like any breed including ABs. I will say some of the Dogos I have seen here are AWSOME looking. Thats there are so many breeds. If there was a dog that fit everyones style in every situation, we would all be hunting the same breed no matter the cost.

Great thread! didnt meant to high jack whatever it started as. probably should have started a new one.

[dabutcher]

hopefully a moderator will move these posts to it's own thread cause i'd like to continue the discussion.   

i've seen a some really good crosses of dogoxab.... i mean Krystal's dogs are prime examples.  i have a dog out on loan that's not in the same category as one of Krystal's dogs but is really what i want in a dog as far as temperment, drive, and intelligence. his only downfall to me is he's a little short legged or i guess i should say a little shorter legged than what i'm looking for. 

my biggest hesitation is the price tag.  if i DO get one it will be from PPC or from Marvin.  that's the ONLY ones i'd look at.  i've seen quite a few that just aren't what the breed standard says they should be.  and i'm sorry but that kinda price tag for a DOG isn't something to be taken lightly when deciding on a breeder.  i've been looking for a QUALITY one for a while and it took a lot of weeding out and sorting through the B.S. til i just decided to quit looking any further than the proven dogs i've seen on here.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

My hunt tonight is an example of what I like in a Dogo. Hunted here at the house and I rode my saddle Mule, I had 3 bay dogs and Adora my dogo running on the groung with them. I trotted out to the pasture and all dogs hunt on the run untill they are out of sight, I lope on another 1/2 mile and start tracking. I they check in with me 1 3/4 miles from where we started. I head the other way working the wind at a lope all dogs hunting ahead, dogs are checking a canyon when I see a small hog moving through the pasture, so I sit tight and the Dogo is the first dog to check back in. I lope about 300 yds and Adora can see the hog and catches him on the run as I am loping behind. Bay dogs show up but the deal is done. Adora has been running for at least 3 miles before she first saw the hog, hog had 100yd head start and she caught him on the run 150 yds later. Then a mile trot back to the house. Thats 4 miles that I traveled more for the dogs and one hog in less than an hour and she was far from out of gas.

Paul T

[cantexduck]

Adora is 100% dogo, Paul?

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Yes registered Dogo, bred by Marvin Garrett, (Recado x Jane) some of his PPC blood line.

[ppc dogos]

No, not all dogos can go out and find and catch their own hog. The breed have for years been in trouble in many ways, healthwise and temperament wise, conformation wise. It is not a easy breed to work with, since it is pretty young, and many unwanted throwbacks can appear.

Breeding a good dogo takes YEARS of knowledge of your lines,  and clever selection.

The dogo have lots of breeders that is only focusing on one part - looks..., jump over where the fence is lowest regarding temper and health. Breeding a good dogo, must be the whole package. It is very easy to breed the correct temper, but if the body and agility is not with it, the dog is not functional. Even worse, if the dog is not healthy.
The breed is white, and this is a issue for many healht problems from already the beginning of this breed.

Many dogos catch, but not many HUNTS. Unfortunately this breed have been romanticised WAY TOO MUCH - for many commercial reasons..and the breed got on a pidestal where it did not belong....


A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...


Birgitte

[Circle C]

Birgitte,

   

Many dogos catch, but not many HUNTS. Unfortunately this breed have been romanticised WAY TOO MUCH - for many commercial reasons..and the breed got on a pidestal where it did not belong....


A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...

That is the type of honesty regarding a breed that is respectable.   All breeds have their faults, and knowing and recognizing that is necessary in order to improve the breed in my opinion.  If you do not recognize the faults, and try to breed away from them, then the breed itself is destined for failure.

  When you and Peter come to the states, do you ever hunt just dogo's? Or do you hunt other breeds on the ground too?

I might also mention in all fairness, that you can replace dogo, with any other breed in the following statement and it will still ring true

A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...

[ppc dogos]

Thanks Circle,

I US we hunted mostly with curs, and had some dogos on the ground as well. Here we have hunted a few times only dogos , but we have WAY too few opportunity to hunt them here.. . - VERY frustrating to live in Europe.

My passion is breeding the dog that makes the hunter happy, since also that dog, can function in other kind of jobs. We have couple of educated rescue dogs and sweiss dogs. Theese dogs requires the same as  a hunting dogo, good temper, good agile body, health and nose.

Therefore we favourise hunters that are interested in our dogs, they are the perfect feedback, and we use their knowledge in our selections.

We have also dogos that hunts only on the ground in Japan, South Africa & Sweden. Some young dogs in US and Korea.

This is from our last hunt here in Europe, this hog was found and taken by 3 of our own dogos, the young dogo to the left is Eloy, who is  now in Us. The father to him, Payo, found and stopped the boar - when we finally arrived they were all 3 on it. We ran into a flock of boars, couldn´t locate the dogos for a while and it got a bit too exciting at a certain point. Another good reason for hunting with a bay dog with the dogos. We have a black mouth cur, but she was at this time high pregnant.

We have to live LONG on this hunt, we might can only do it 2-3 times a year, if we are lucky..





This is the father to the young dog, Payo:





 

Birgitte

[Bridgeth6]

I have some friends who just paid that high price for two dogo pups, they plan to start breeding dogos here in the lufkin area, if they make the cds that they are suppose to. The biggest diffrence is that they supposedly can hunt on there own. We found in researching them that ppl in argentina hunt them in packs of no less than 3 and that they hunt pumas with them. There is video on youtube of dogos catching pumas, now that takes a bad A dog. But it is said that you can hunt with them alone, unlike the AB. The only problem I see with this is it is also said that they do not bay, they just catch, which depending on the style of hunting you do may be ok. A lot of ppl use a non gritty good voiced hound with them to solve this problem. There stamina is suppose to be awsome. The other research I read was that an average days hunt in argentina was 30miles and they hunt on horse back over there. Dogos are suppose to have a pretty good nose on them to.  There size is bigger than the AB also. The father to the pups they bought is 125lbs and they say that is an average size for a male dogo. Nose, stamina, size and PRICE are the diffrences that I have found. I guess we will find out as the pups get on up there. They are only 9wks old right now, but I will post again as soon as I see something from them. 

[La Historia Dogo]

I hope that you not take this the wrong way Bridgeth6, but there are a few things I would like to offer you as far as info on the dogo is concerned.  The standard for the dogo is between 80-100lbs.  If that "average" dogo is 125lbs, they are real big.  I am not saying there aren't dogos that are that big, but they aren't the ones hunting in the fashion that you described.  To me the ideal dogo size is 26.5" at the shoulders and 100lbs.  I have a dogo bitch that is about 26.75" and about 110-115 at a "field weight" cause thats how I keep them, healthy, muscular, and not overweight, but she is a BIG BITCH.  Almost too big, and depending on who you talk to definately too big.  I have a stud on the other hand that is about 25" and about 125lbs, but he is very thick in the bone and could stand to lose some weight, I just got him about a month ago. 

So in short, dogos can be that big, but I don't think you will find that to be the average. I hope I didn't sound like I was just trying to correct you, just wanted to offer a little insight from a semi-(dogo)educated perspective.  I currently own 3 male dogos, and 2(soon to be 3) female dogos.  I have fostered/trained at least another 8-10 and been around another 20 or so.  I have read the Spanish only book by one of the creators of the breed and have many of the books that are considered "dogo bibles".

I was talking with one of the most well respected dogo breeders in the world last week, as I am fortunate to now live just a few mintues away from him, and he said its easy to breed a big dogo, but to get a big dogo with proper type is VERY HARD.  The structure on the Big ones is almost always incorrect.  I didn't get too in depth with him, as my spanish is much better reading it, but I consider myself a scholar on this great breed so I offer my lessons to anyone that can benefit from them.

Look at my site for an idea of what the height and weight look like in pictures and you can compare them to the parents of your friends.  Apache is 25" and 125lbs, Abuelita is 26.75" and 110lbs, Paloma is 27" and 98lbs, Berrinche is 26" and 104lbs, and Iceman is 26.5" and about 105lbs.  Hope that helps

Josh

[Bridgeth6]

No harm done Josh, I only know  a little, thanks for the info.  I don't remeber the breader they got the pups from he is outside or carthage, TX. He hunts with his dogs, but he is just getting started on his knew kennel and set up. The male they got is partial deaf in one ear and is not bread quality, supposedly everything else about him was. The pup is not papered, due to the hearing problem, which I completely understand. Can you tell me what your average of hearing affected pups is?

[kevin]

That partially deaf dog is what they call a unilat.  It will not be able to tell which direction the dogs are baying.  The deafness is common in dogos and can be passed on.  More than likely pups off of him will have some form of deafness.  Those large dogs probably won't have much stamina.  The breed is gonna end up like the glass eyed, flashy leopard dogs.   

I hope they work for him.

[txcountrygurl40]

i have dogos for catch dogs and they are good catch dogs they are not agressive to other dogs unless they are provoked but other than that they are good hunters i have never heard of one baying a hog but i do know they will catch my male caught a 300lb boar hog by his self and we are going to be having a little of puppies any day now my males are 300.00 and fem400.00 if interested just e-mail me