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« on: April 20, 2012, 09:06:31 pm » |
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Who thinksa "finished help dog" is a cull?
...... I guess its just different stroke for different folks but I personally will not keep a dog for long if it wont find its own hog.
Maybe its just me but around here theres 2 types of hog dogs, bay dogs (imo a bay dog and a find dog is 1 in the same) and catchdogs. Are we the only ones like this?
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 09:18:45 pm » |
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A HELP DOG EATS JUST AS MUCH AS A FIND DOG. IF IM GOING TO FEED IT THEN IT HAS TO FIND HOGS.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 09:27:04 pm » |
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A HELP DOG EATS JUST AS MUCH AS A FIND DOG. IF IM GOING TO FEED IT THEN IT HAS TO FIND HOGS.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 09:28:32 pm » |
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It's been my experience that a box full of " strike dogs" leads to a day of running from broken bay to broken bay. Especially if they won't honor each others bay and the hogs run like the devil like they do here.Help dogs sure have their place with me. Now granted most of my help dogs are Young strike prospects.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 10:19:00 pm » |
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Nice sometimes to have a really rough dog u keep with u until another dog strikes then send that dog in to help stop the hog I need be. But this is basically a RCD.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 10:55:38 pm » |
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I lost a good "help" dog to big boar one night. I would missed lot hogs if i didnt have him. He would find one every now and then but he stayed pretty close for most part. And he died young less than 2yr old so aint no tellin what he would be if he had some age. Help dogs are good to have sometimes is all im sayin. Jmo
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2012, 12:56:22 am » |
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Are you saying that you only use one bay dog at a time then?
Just because a dog can "find a hog" don't make him a bay dog....
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2012, 01:32:23 am » |
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Just because a dog can "find a hog" don't make him a bay dog....
It dang sure better mean exactly that. Working a hog is part of the package in my opinion. I have a pack that I handle for my companies client entertainment (a few find only dogs and a few "help" dogs) and then I have MY personal dogs. The ones who are mine will find bay and stay bayed. I don't think that's too much to ask. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 03:16:46 am » |
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I have seen a few help dogs that specialized in stopping hogs...did not hunt very well but ran with the strike dogs and were better at stopping a hog than the strike dogs...
But the ultimate goal should be to have strike dogs that can stop a hog as well as the best and then keep them bayed as long as required...
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justincorbell
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 03:25:27 am » |
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Are you saying that you only use one bay dog at a time then?
Just because a dog can "find a hog" don't make him a bay dog....
Did you read that anywhere in my post? No i dont run 1 at a time, i generally run 2 solid dogs and a pup.......you can bet your ass that if one of my dogs doesnt honor another of my dogs bays ill get rid of it. Im not sure where you are trying to go with the "just cuz a dog can find a hog dont make him a bay dog statement so im not gonna make any assumptions as to what you are gettin at......care to explain a bit? "the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland |
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 07:14:55 am » |
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It's been my experience that a box full of " strike dogs" leads to a day of running from broken bay to broken bay. Especially if they won't honor each others bay and the hogs run like the devil like they do here.Help dogs sure have their place with me. Now granted most of my help dogs are Young strike prospects.
I would prolly disagree to this statement. A box full of real strike dogs leads to a trailer full of pork!! I agree with the original topic of the article. One of the reasons we catch so many hogs, we don't keep help dogs or culls. Everydog we own will find and bay it's own hog. The rest that piggy back off of the real dogs shouldn't even be considered hog dogs. Much less be for sale!! |
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 07:28:03 am » |
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I am okay with having a help dog or two. Especially if they find a hog once in a while or try to. There are some dogs out there that have a lot of hunt, a lot of speed, and a lot of grit, but not much nose. THese type of dogs dont do well finding hogs, or some of them have just learned to wait for the other dogs to find the hog. If they will run with a strike dog and and stay with the hog once he is found or jumped, I am okay with that.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 07:42:56 am » |
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Some of us don't have the luxury of owning a box full of true strike dogs. That is the ultimate goal though. Maybe one day  |
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 08:13:31 am » |
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Just because a dog can "find a hog" don't make him a bay dog....
Just because a dog can bay a hog doesn't mean he can find one.... |
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2012, 08:58:40 am » |
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In my pack 90% of my dogs will find and stop there own hog the other 10% are my catch dogs I wouldn't call them all strike dogs but they will find a hog
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2012, 12:07:45 pm » |
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here is my opinion, a good help dog earns his feed. i understand having all great one out dogs that can find and keep a good hog bayed, notice i said good hog? all of my dogs can find their own hog and 2 of my dogs will catch anything under 100lbs, but with that said, when i cast 2 out they usuall split if we r not close to a fresh sign and what happens then is one will usually bay up and the other is out of hearing range, so as we get closer to the hog he hears us and will break. and after that first bay the race is on. now if u send in a catch dog a little bit out u will catch these good hogs but usually end up with wrecked dogs if u get close to the bay to send the catch dog hog breaks now u got a loose catch dog that might run till the hog is stopped again? but the woods i hunt most of the time u crawl through briars or catclaw vines and it sucks, now back to the original point, when a good help dog runs with a good strike/bay dog we almost always catch all the hogs we have bayed and can usually crawl right up to the bay to cut the catch dog loose. i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2012, 12:32:36 pm » |
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the woods i hunt most of the time u crawl through briars or catclaw vines and it sucks, now back to the original point, when a good help dog runs with a good strike/bay dog we almost always catch all the hogs we have bayed and can usually crawl right up to the bay to cut the catch dog loose. i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND
i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND.. it was worth repeating...I have seen this system work... A friend of mine had a dog that might find a hog once in a blue moon and if the hog broke he probably couldn't trail it much less find it...but when running with the pack, and he would make every step the pack made...he was the help dog that specialized in stopping a hog... |
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2012, 12:49:54 pm » |
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the woods i hunt most of the time u crawl through briars or catclaw vines and it sucks, now back to the original point, when a good help dog runs with a good strike/bay dog we almost always catch all the hogs we have bayed and can usually crawl right up to the bay to cut the catch dog loose. i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND
i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND.. it was worth repeating...I have seen this system work... A friend of mine had a dog that might find a hog once in a blue moon and if the hog broke he probably couldn't trail it much less find it...but when running with the pack, and he would make every step the pack made...he was the help dog that specialized in stopping a hog... glad to know i aint the only one that thinks a good help dog is worth his feed  if i hunted places the hogs didnt break and run on then i would understand not wanting to feed a help dog, but to many independent dogs just dont cut it where i hunt... |
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2012, 01:37:03 pm » |
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the woods i hunt most of the time u crawl through briars or catclaw vines and it sucks, now back to the original point, when a good help dog runs with a good strike/bay dog we almost always catch all the hogs we have bayed and can usually crawl right up to the bay to cut the catch dog loose. i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND
i belive the terrain u hunt and the pressure on the hogs u hunt play a big role in all this also. but it works good for me so i like to have a good help dog aROUND.. it was worth repeating...I have seen this system work... A friend of mine had a dog that might find a hog once in a blue moon and if the hog broke he probably couldn't trail it much less find it...but when running with the pack, and he would make every step the pack made...he was the help dog that specialized in stopping a hog... glad to know i aint the only one that thinks a good help dog is worth his feed if i hunted places the hogs didnt break and run on then i would understand not wanting to feed a help dog, but to many independent dogs just dont cut it where i hunt... Where do you hunt? Have y'all ever heard the term, "self fulfilling prophecy"? In breeding and raising hunting dogs, you will eventually reap what you've sewn. I think some people elevate a strike dog to some lofty post and accept many faults in dogs simply because they can find a hog. That's certainly not what I'm after. Tshelly used the term "hog dog" earlier and that's my opinion as well. If we'd quit breaking dogs down into specialties and raise our expectations, you'd find that one of days, every dog you feed will be a hog dog. Now as far as independence goes, every dog should honor the strike of it's pack mates, or shut its hog down awful quick. A few weeks back one of my gyps bayed a sow behind the house, and the other one had one bayed not a minute later. I went towards the younger dog first and as I glanced at the garmin I saw the older one moving slowly towards me but I figured she'd left her hog. After I legged that sow, I heard both gyps baying 40 yards from me. The older one had moved her sow toward the original bay! I didn't breed these, and I take no credit, but they've taught me that HIGH standards produce great results |
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