Puppy Death

[charles]

 a guy has posted on here about his pup not eating. reuben, you said it might be cocsidiosis and i said corono virus, but i have NO idea of the symptoms. i just a txt saying the pup died. karmin said the pup had runny stool, but no blood, just normal color. with no appitite, and dehydration, does anybody know what it might have caused the death? could over worming with strongid cause the appitite loss and dehydration? i feel bad for karmin, especialy since i have lost 4 pups to parvo, but it didnt have parvo symptoms. any help please!!!!!!

[Reuben]

a guy has posted on here about his pup not eating. reuben, you said it might be cocsidiosis and i said corono virus, but i have NO idea of the symptoms. i just a txt saying the pup died. karmin said the pup had runny stool, but no blood, just normal color. with no appitite, and dehydration, does anybody know what it might have caused the death? could over worming with strongid cause the appitite loss and dehydration? i feel bad for karmin, especialy since i have lost 4 pups to parvo, but it didnt have parvo symptoms. any help please!!!!!!

strongid paste not the problem...that wormer is pretty forgiving...not eeven a double or triple dose would cause the pup to die...

but the pup should have been taken to the vet after a day of no improvements...

[charles]

 well im not sure what it is, but according to the net. coccidia causes bloody diarrhea, while corona does not cause bloody diarrhea, but yet it is a family member to parvo. all 3 have similar symptoms, but it said corona useualy will not kill.

[Red River Hog Hunting]

look up distemper and see if those symptoms its been flaring back up

[magnuml]

a guy has posted on here about his pup not eating. reuben, you said it might be cocsidiosis and i said corono virus, but i have NO idea of the symptoms. i just a txt saying the pup died. karmin said the pup had runny stool, but no blood, just normal color. with no appitite, and dehydration, does anybody know what it might have caused the death? could over worming with strongid cause the appitite loss and dehydration? i feel bad for karmin, especialy since i have lost 4 pups to parvo, but it didnt have parvo symptoms. any help please!!!!!!

Sounds like coccidiosis. Only because of the lack of blood and Parvo has a smell you would never forget.  Sulmet liquid in the drinking water of young puppies will prevent coccidia. It is cheap. Puppies step in number 2 and urine and stand in water bowls, Can't be helped when they are small and need a shallow water bowl for them to reach. It is used for chickens as a preventive for coccidia and works great with puppies. I use about a tablespoon in a 6 qt pot and change the water twice a day. It is cheap and will help a pup with the begining stages. I have never heard of over worming with strongid. It would have to be a rediculous amount. I use Nemex and only Nemex. I start at 2 weeks and go by the directions on the bottle except i worm for about 5 extra pounds. Hope this helps. This and bleaching pens every week will make life alot easier. Also starting shots at 5 weeks old and doing a total of 4 spread every 2 weeks works well. I only use 7 way shots. Hope this helps.  Sorry about the pup.

[Reuben]

well im not sure what it is, but according to the net. coccidia causes bloody diarrhea, while corona does not cause bloody diarrhea, but yet it is a family member to parvo. all 3 have similar symptoms, but it said corona useualy will not kill.

Charles, here is what I have seen...back in early 1980's parvo hit and killed lots of pups before a vaccine was found...I lost a pup to it and then saved a few...did it by force feeding but mostly gatorade and cottage cheese... Then a couple years later CoronaVirus hit...The vets could not tell the difference between corona and parvo in the early 1980's...

Corona kills on a regular basis but not like parvo...Force feeding and basicly the same methods are used to save the pups...they then developed the corona vaccine...

I made the mistake of only buying the 7 way vaccine back then because it was dirt cheap and the feed store operator assured me that that was all I needed...I also ordered for all the pups from a catalog and saved even more...Well had a few sick pups and I learned the hard way that the 7 way is cheap but the pups are in grave danger because of the corona...

I learned back then that a 7 way is way cheaper but worthless...I always buy the 7 way plus corona...cost more but I have never lost a pup to either of these 2 diseases since...

Sometimes I only give one shot to a pup at 8 weeks and that is all it gets but if I like the pup and think highly of it I will give him 2 of the same 3 to 4 weeks apart...then I do not give a repeat every year but might every three years or so...prabably don't need it from what I have read on here...

I suspect a lot of folks buy the 7 way to this day and then they are having to make the trip to the vet to cure/save the pup...

[East tx hog hunter]

well im not sure what it is, but according to the net. coccidia causes bloody diarrhea, while corona does not cause bloody diarrhea, but yet it is a family member to parvo. all 3 have similar symptoms, but it said corona useualy will not kill.

I had a pup die about a year ago, he stayed at the vet for several days before he died and vet said it was corona

[charles]

 kamrin said it was distimper. i guess i need to hit all my dogs with the distimper vaccine just incase

[magnuml]

kamrin said it was distimper. i guess i need to hit all my dogs with the distimper vaccine just incase

That sucks. Distemper is part of the 7-way shots. One thing some people don't think about is temperature. If my feedstore does not get it shipped cold, and stored cold i won't buy them. I also take a cooler with me when i get them and i only live 6 miles from the feed store and they go right in the fridge. If the shots get warm they are not effective and a waste of money. anything can happen until the 3rd shot with extreme circumstances. I had a bout with parvo 17 years ago and the vet told me to start at 5 weeks and go with 4 total shots. That with bleaching my feet and hands before i enter my pen to handle young pup's and weekly bleaching of the pen i have never had another sick pup. Just worms and the norm. Mine don't even touch the ground until the 2nd shot. Maybe overkill but i have had ALOT of puppies since over the years and knock on wood have only lost some to mother nature and mom laying on one, Never from being sick.  Tell your friend good luck with future pup's and i hope everyone's info helps. I see alot of knowledge on this site. Lee

[Red River Hog Hunting]

Distemper hasnt really been around since the 80sam but its starting to flare back up.. killed 2 promising dogs of mine.. they hardly survive..

[Reuben]

I had a quachita large type airedale pup die if distemper back in the mid seventies...first purebred dog I ever bought...most mutts live over anything without vaccines...that was te dogs I gree up with...talking about a learning experienc...

[lcboarstoppers]

Gotta give it to red river hog dogger he nailed it!!!

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Distemper is a sure nuff badun boys.  Watched it go thru a beagle pack in the late 80's before the widespread vaccines.  Unless you have witnessed it first hand and observed how horrific the neurological disorders get before the dogs pass or are put down you wont ever forget them. You can have emotions cold as ice but it will send chills down your spine.

For any young guys just getting started....dont learn the hard way...you will regret it..!

Sorry to hear bout your friends dog. Bad way to go.

[Reuben]

the 7 in 1 and the 8 in 1 vaccines have the distemper vaccine in it...pup should not have contracted distemper...

[matt_aggie04]

YellowBlackMsk,
Do you still hit your older dogs witha vaccine occasionally?  I give puppy shots to puppies but I don't own a grown dog that has had anything but rabies shots since they were 12 weeks old.  Maybe I need to rethink what I am doing (and no I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I am being serious). 

[kdbfh]

I gave him his 7 in 1 shots and he still got it, number 2 happens there really wasn't anything I could do, I had no idea he had it because I've never delt  with it.


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[magnuml]

YellowBlackMsk,
Do you still hit your older dogs witha vaccine occasionally?  I give puppy shots to puppies but I don't own a grown dog that has had anything but rabies shots since they were 12 weeks old.  Maybe I need to rethink what I am doing (and no I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I am being serious). 

I do 7 way shots with my grown dog's once a year as a booster. hunting dog's are usually around other dog's and sometimes strange dog's when you hunt with new people and you never know what they have done with their dog's. Small price to pay to make sure your dog's stay healthy.

[East tx hog hunter]

YellowBlackMsk,
Do you still hit your older dogs witha vaccine occasionally?  I give puppy shots to puppies but I don't own a grown dog that has had anything but rabies shots since they were 12 weeks old.  Maybe I need to rethink what I am doing (and no I am not trying to be a smart a$$, I am being serious).  

I give all my dogs a 7 in 1 once a year, all these "puppy" diseases aren't just limited to puppies, any dog get can get them, it's just more common in the younger ones JMO

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

No Matt I dont on older dogs. Not to say it wouldn't be a good idea but I dont on older dogs.

I try and stay up on the local conditions. About 90 to 95 there was a big outbreak of distemper in the raccoon poulation in East Texas. I remember seeing alot of coons out in the daytime. You would also find piles of them in the sides of pastures where they had died. In situations like these where there was a more increased chance of exposure I would hit em with a booster. But I dont typically hunt our dogs with alot of unknown dogs or take them to the big gatherings. Its great to get together for fellowship purposes but its a good idea to limit the exposure for your dogs to strange packs.

The beagles I referred to were gown but was pre vaccine era, so they hadn't been treated for exposure as pups.

But again its a truly horrific disease to witness. So thumbs up to continued prevention.

[Reuben]

grown dogs...even purebred dogs are more resistant to disease and pups are very susceptible to disease especially if they are purebred...

I only give an 8 in 1 booster to little pups and sometimes 2 but then as grown dogs once every three years or so...never have had a problem since the mid 1980's...

only 1 of 2 things could have happened to the pup that died of distemper...The pup came in contact with the disease after the vaccine was administered but the immunities hadn't kicked in yet...or...the vaccine was faulty and usually it is due to excessive heat...

I haven't seen a pup with distemper in years but I reckon could happen...

I also remember the distemper outbreak in the coon population...