how manny of you feed raw

[slimhogdog]

Man, I love my dogs but I'd never feed them a rabbit!!!LOL Ya'll boys need to come down to cajun country and get a taste of a good rabbit spaghetti or sauce piquante.

[halfbreed]

   lol I heard that slim !!!   I would cull a beagle for trying to eat one of MY swampers  lol  now for you boy's feeding total raw I have a question    canines are not a total carnivore they are omnivors and need a certain amout of nutriants from greens . how do you supliment that ?

[Treezbulldogz]

Halfbreed, I can only speak for myself obviously but I give just a little kale greens that I cut up in a food processor. From what I've learned canines eat greens in the form of "half digested" greens from their prey's stomach. That's why It's best to chop greens in processor first. I also think it's up for debate whether or not they're carnivores or omnivores. I'm not saying I know for sure and I'm sure you know more than I do just by the advantage you have on me in years of experience so I'm not arguing by any means, just stating that some people believe different. Some don't do any greens at all. Now, if somebody has whole animals they wouldn't need to do that, just toss the dogs a chicken or whatever.

[Backwoods]

From every thing I have read and the people I have talked to say the same thing,  ,,  you dont have to but its a little better if you do mix in some greens, such as collards, turnips, Kale, carrots  ect.  per feeding,  so Im just going to mix mine in when i grind it up like hamburger and make it one pound packs. you can also give them an egg, shell and all  once or twice a week.. and that helps aslo..  just things ive been reading and info i have been compiling.. 

[Reuben]

   lol I heard that slim !!!   I would cull a beagle for trying to eat one of MY swampers  lol  now for you boy's feeding total raw I have a question    canines are not a total carnivore they are omnivors and need a certain amout of nutriants from greens . how do you supliment that ?

x2...on the omnivores...most of the carnivores if not all get their vegetation from the stomach and intestines of their prey...

[T.R.]

If a dog can put teeth on a live hog in the woods and not get the diseases then why would they get them from them after butchering? Probaly a dum question just had to ask.

[jdt]

 x's 2 about getting their greens from intestines of herbivores !
   when you turn them out they will hunt up whatever greens they need from certain grasses  .

 the rest of what they need is in raw meat . find me a bag of dogfood that does all that !

[jdt]

and dogs will not get worms from fresh raw meat unless the meat soaks up worm eggs from the ground before eating .

[Treezbulldogz]

If a dog can put teeth on a live hog in the woods and not get the diseases then why would they get them from them after butchering? Probaly a dum question just had to ask.
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This was quoted from somebody who knows alot more than I about feeding RAW, spoken better than I could work it.



"I wouldn't feed raw pork because of the potential for trichinosis, which is a kind of worm that pigs can get.

I fully understand that not every raw pork specimen is going to be afflicted with the trichina worm; in fact, I fully understand that most raw pork specimens will not. But because the potential is there, I personally just would not feed this meat raw.

Because trichinosis 1) can be fatal, 2) is transmissable to humans, and 3) does NOT get eradicated by either standard worming meds or standard worming dosages either, I personally will never deviate from my position and would never feed any raw meat that might possibly contain this worm to my dogs. It simply is not worth the risk.

Regarding the prospect of freezing first, this is another reason why I avoid pork. If you google "trichinosis+frozen," you will also see this particular worm has a high resistance to freezing, which means you can't even get rid of this worm by freezing it. You MUST cook this meat to kill the worm. If you do a little research, the trichina worm is resistant to freezing because it is found in arctic animals (which live in the coldest areas of the world), and so this particular worm has evolved to be able to survive long-term freezing in the bodies of dead arctic animals, even when frozen solid. In other words, you "freezing" pork does NOTHING to protect either you or your dogs

Cooking solid will though ... which is why we humans ALWAYS cook pork 100% well done in our kitchens ...

Anyway, my own personal conclusion is there is no reason on earth to risk using "the unclean meat" of raw pork on your dogs, when there are better options."

[jdt]

well,  my folks have been feeding raw anything for generations . i lost a dog once to spuedorabies but the dog only caught the hog on the ear , not eat him .

   worms and parasites normaly don't live in and grow in muscle tissue , however working dogs are not as susceptiful to these things as humans and lapdogs tend to be 



come to think of it how have coyotes made it up to now

[cantexduck]

well,  my folks have been feeding raw anything for generations . i lost a dog once to spuedorabies but the dog only caught the hog on the ear , not eat him .

   worms and parasites normaly don't live in and grow in muscle tissue , however working dogs are not as susceptiful to these things as humans and lapdogs tend to be 



come to think of it how have coyotes made it up to now

  Not a very strong argument. Wild animals die of infections and from being sick all the time. The information never said all pork has the worms just that it has been found enough to warrant a warning.

[Treezbulldogz]

Exactly correct, it's just not worth the risk to everybody. Might be worth it to you, I guess you have to ask yourself how much your dogs mean to you.

[Backwoods]

Ok ,,, let me ask a nother question.  If you catch hogs like we all do , and then put him in a pen like I  do and worm him, shouldnt that fix the probelm , as long as you dont kill and prepare him until the wormer has run its course and be out of the hogs system, common sense tells me it will be ok. I would not feed raw pork to my dogs straight out of the woods, but even with common sense , im still unsure at this time.

[halfbreed]

  I just don't know , me I am not going back in time .  man has come a long way in the last 100 years . it's kind of like I tell my older sickly brother , that is one of them herbalist  lol . when all mankind had was roots and herbs and an old man shaking a bone rattle , the life expectancy of man was about 37 years .  Granpa's generation fed whatever was left to the hounds and I don't remember seeing any 13 and 14 year old dogs still preforming on any hunts or laying around on the front porch .

  I do feed some raw occasionally , but i'll stick with science .  good discussion tho !!

[Treezbulldogz]

I hear ya Halfbreed but it's all a "marketing strategy". Of course they want you to keep spending your hard earned money on "fido's" expensive, overpriced food. Look on the bad of food you feed. I'm sure if there isn't pictures of fresh meat on the bag it says on the ingredients listing that meat in one of the first ingredients listed. Now open the bag of kibble and grab one of those "pieces of meat". It's a dry, dirt like piece of kibble. It's not a fresh piece of meat like they want you to believe it is you're feeding "fido". When they make the kibble they cook all of the nutrients and valueable ingredients out of it and then they try to add it all back in for the consumer. It's not for everybody but those who have switched with they would have sooner. Just a personal preference is all.

[jdt]

i make part of my living with my dogs . sure they could get trich or something one day , same as they could get salmonella from a bad batch of dogfood ! same as you could get ecoli from mis handeled meat OR organic spinach ! and yes both have happened .

if you knew what all was put in dogfood most would quit feeding it . if most knew what all was in our food they'd be raising their own !

science is great but it is no substitute for common sense .

the bottom line is the good lord designed dogs to eat meat and cows to eat corn !  if you don't beleive that look at their teeth and then  check your science book .

[Treezbulldogz]

^^^Well said.

[slckhunter1978]

science is great but it is no substitute for common sense!

Amen

[Shotgun wg]

Unlike most I have handled nearly every ingredient in dog food. Especially diamond and hills science diet ingredients. I have handled lot of the ones in purina. I have been in different dog food plants all over this country. The ones listed above are very clean plants that are very strict when it comes to ingredients. I have been to rendering plants slaughter houses packing plants. I have seen just about every aspect of what ur food and dog food goes thru before it hits the table or food bowl. I will not feed dog food from the el cheapo companies such as tops. Every cheapo plant I have been to was nasty and lacked most of the scrutiny that the bigger places use. If u are hauling ingredients to one of the major producers I listed above and u are rejected for one reason or another u don't take it to a dump. U take it to the cheap suppliers. I may pay more per bag but I feel confident my feed is safe. I do understand some feel that raw is the only way to go while others feel that kibble is the only way. With either choice the most important part is choose quality feed that u feel has been handled properly.

I know I was off topic kinda soapboxing but saying all kibble is worse than raw and the price of  fees is just marketing isn't always right.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[cantexduck]

Isn't diamond the one that has recalls all the time.