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Author Topic: Running Catch Dogs (How Many Have)  (Read 17474 times)
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« on: April 22, 2009, 08:13:05 pm »

Just out of curiosity how many of the hunters on the board have hunted with full time running catch dogs, or finder/holder type dogs? I am not talking about a dog used with your bay dogs, I'm talking about a dog or pack of dogs that would find hogs and catch them selves without the help of bay dogs to do the finding. For example only used a pack of pure Dogo's to find and catch there pigs. I Myself have never owned a bay dog, but have been on plenty of hunts with them owned by other people. I started with one big Ridgeback imported from Africa hunted him "One Out" until I got a Pit/Ridgeback (16 years old and still alive). Tryed hunting more than one dog on the ground and my numbers of injuries went up and my number of pigs caught went down so I started hunting the dogs without each other and things went back to normal. Over the years I have had many more but have stayed true to the finder/holders.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 09:11:16 pm »

I used to use my male and female ab's as a pair of running catch dogs and had good luck finding hogs with them.  The only problem with using bulldogs as running catch dogs is that they are incredibly short range and won't find as many hogs as a good cur. I also ran into a problem with my male exhausting all of his energy after the first hog or two and not having the stamina to catch as solid.  My female on the other hand is a freak and can run all day and catch multiple hogs and never even show a sign of tiring. I have gone to using a mix of rcd's and cur's.  My female is always used as a rcd and it works great in tandem with a bulldog on a lead and two or three curs. Jmo, running catch dogs alone are good if they have the stamina to be solid the whole hunt but I think you will find more hogs with a couple of good, and I stress GOOD, curs in the mix.   It also doesn't hurt to have a few open mouths on a catch so you can hear when the hog is caught.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 09:21:52 pm »

I run all Brindle Leopard  curs and cur crosses with one Reg Plott and all of mine find, hold and catch hogs with out bulldogs of course they work as a pack .  We have legged and caught numbers of hogs from 225 to 290 with out any bulldogs , dogo's, ridgebacks are any of the watch you call full time catch dogs are hold dogs. I guess you could call them running catch dogs hahahahahaha  Might not be what you are talking about but these find and hold hogs and if you dont get there fast nuff they aint gonna have any ears thats for sure.

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 10:01:13 pm »

yea i have that pit curr mix bo that will find hogs and catch them even up to like 250 275. i have another pit curr that i use as a running catch dog but she does not have that stamina and endurance as that male dog does... when theres a bay she in on it... but that pit curr mix male dog is my head dog and he will hunt some what far out, what i mean by that is usually from 200- 500 yrds. and he will find a hog using his nose. but i think that every dog is a little different. of course most runnign catch dogs are going to catch, BUT the question is if they have the hunt in them or not....some do and some dont...alot will just runn along side of you and catch when theres a bay, and some will hunt just as much and be gone just as long as they strike dogs will but when they find they CATCH! This is a pretty good way for us to go because of the smaller places that we hunt. i dont want to have a dog yip behind a 80lb sal for a mile till it finally wears down. I like som e grit to stop a hog but the trick to for the dog to know what he can and catch catch by himself without getting cut down! this is just my opinion on it! And it all differs with the types of places and terrian you hunt also!
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 10:02:33 pm »

This seems to be a never ending topic on all boards. RCD, "one out", lead in; everyone has a way that works for them in the country they hunt. Hunting the country I do without a bay dog would be pointless; also useing an RCD would be asking for trouble. "One out" in my country would also be asking for trouble.

There is a time and a place for every style of hunting. I posted this before to another one of these kinds of topics.....I have hunted "one out", RCDs, and now use only lead in catch dogs. I will never go back to either hunting the country I do. I have fewer dogs injured and catch far more hogs hunting the way I do now than I ever did before.



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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 11:07:05 pm »

L3 after some thought I would like to invite you to the Hill Country to hunt. This is not a "my dog is better" thing or anything like that. I would just like to see a good "one dog out" dog work in the Hill Country. Ill leave my start/hold/bay/find/catch dogs at home, we will do it your way.

Just a plain invite to come hunting, your way in some different country. We would be hunting the Utopia/Vanderpool/Leakey area.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 06:12:48 am »

The topic is not about witch style is best, I was wanting to know whos hunting that way and what there thoughts are and how they hunt. TXmaveric, I grew up in the hill country and find it no more chalanging than any other place. You must keep in mind that I live in "Tunnel Brush South Texas". I will PM you on putting a hunt together. The biggest factor with RCD's is the dog getting flicked and not being able to catch up with the hog, but I'm sure this happens alot less than broken bays. If you use good dogs that catch smart and some good cut gear you shouldn't loose any more dogs than with any other style of hunting. With that said BULLDOGS do not make good running catch dogs as a hole. You get your super stars, but for the most part they dont use there head when holding and find them selves jacked up a tree or worse. Not picking on bulldogs just stateing my exsperence with them. I dont care for holding dogs that have more than 50% or so bull blood in them. To much bull blood and you run into some problems biggest being that they will catch the first hog they come to even if its 10 pounds. I fell a good holding dog should dance like a boxer with both eyes open watching the hog and there suroundings. JMO
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 06:29:15 am »

i  run a straight catahoula pack and have had  several great ybmc also that eould shut a hog down and catch. flip and stick,,tap out the dogs and its roll out and do it again,  there are a few here thats hunting mine and chads dogs we trained or hunted with us
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 06:34:16 am »

I use a "rcd" or a very ruff dog when I hunt. Helps cut down on the running hogs. Usually one RCD and one bay dog backed up by a lead in pit. First time I went hunting was with an old man than ran 4 pits loose. He caught some big hogs. I know he could probably have found more with curs but his way worked good. He used to brag that there wasn't a hog too big for his dogs. Seen them catch a 375 lb. boars with only minor injuries.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 06:39:08 am »

Dont have any RCD's but i have a question.

How do you find your dog if he is caught on a big hog 200 yards out and the hog isn't squeeling?
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 07:17:59 am »

I don't have a RCD and doubt I'll ever have a need for one given the places I hunt but I have a question for L3.  You mention you have had more dogs get cut when running more than one at a time.  Why is that?  My understanding is that even the boys down under prefer to run more than one at a time if they can.  The Bloom brothers have even said they run "one out" more for the movie camera than for practical purposes.  Its more like "two or three out" when the camera is off.

Its seems like another dog would add to the anchoring of the hog and the catch would be less taxing with some help.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 07:42:09 am »

Clint, its not very hard to hear them they make quite a racket. Also most dogs with little bull blood will wine while holding making them easy to hear. If you read and talk to the Ozzies most will tell you the Blooms are a joke and its common place for them to buy trapped or pin raised hogs and make a video about it. I dont know them very well but my info comes from good sorces. I feel the hog puts the fight into over drive when you use more than one dog, and its not uncommon to see a dog just walking beside a big hog holding the ear and the hog is not even fighting. But I would have to say that they use more than one dog because of the flick factor. If your dog gets tosed off you have a extra dog to help. But these people dont purpus breed "One Out" dogs.
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 08:22:28 am »

L3,

I was under the assumption that you drive around and turn out your "one-out" dogs on spotted hogs.  In fact, I recall a prior post you made where you stated that all your dogs are "trained" to follow a spotlight beam.  How is this done in "Tunnel Brush South Texas?"



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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 09:12:33 am »

L3,

I was under the assumption that you drive around and turn out your "one-out" dogs on spotted hogs.  In fact, I recall a prior post you made where you stated that all your dogs are "trained" to follow a spotlight beam.  How is this done in "Tunnel Brush South Texas?"





damn that's a good question.....  i never knew Victoria was that thick.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 09:34:27 am »

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full time running catch dogs, or finder/holder type dogs? I am not talking about a dog used with your bay dogs, I'm talking about a dog or pack of dogs that would find hogs and catch them selves without the help of bay dogs to do the finding.

I might be misunderstanding your question, but to me by definition Running Catch Dogs and finder/holder dogs are not anything alike

To me a RCD does not hunt anything by himself, he runs loose with the other dogs, and when they find/bay something he catches it.

Never hunted with a finder/holder dog that was hunted one out.  But I have hunted with a pack of rough dogs that went out and hunted, and found the hog then caught it. No need for bulldogs/catchdogs

Now I have a pack of loose baying dogs, ones that won't push a hog, and that will not catch until the bull dog is there. I can tell you that after hunting both rough dogs, and loose dogs. I prefer loose dogs. I don't keep records, but I don't think I lose any more hogs this way than when I hunted with a RCD or with a pack of "finder/holder".

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2009, 09:56:25 am »

we used to use nothing but bulldogs and had SOME success with it. I'm with RIP on this one though, I'd much rather have a pack of good curs and one good RCD with a bulldog on a lead. Or just hunt with some ROUGH curs and bulldogs on leads.

I've tried loose baying, straight RCDs, and a rough pack, I like the rough pack or using one RCD, as far as "one out" hunting, I really don't have the balls to do that style. I sure would like to see it done one day though. I think it's a cool idea but I'm afraid of vet bills just using one dog.
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 10:46:14 am »

There is a ton of info on bay dogs on the web, but not much on my style of dog. So if I want to talk to people than have the same intrest's as me then there should be nothing wrong with it. Yes the topic comes up alot and that is because there is very little info on the topic. Second I dont live in Victoria, and I do alot of hunting south of I-37. Bryant to answer you question I get three months out of the year that I can see the hogs with spot lights. The rest of the time we never see the hogs until the dog is on. I hunt about 50/50 crops and heavy brush. I will say that with the exception of the thorns in the brush the crop hunting is much harder. Our corn grows seven to eight foot high and you can only see a foot or two in front of you. The dogs have to wind the hogs inside the corn and never see what they are chaseing until they bump into it. Circle C I would have to agree with you that a RCD is to be used with bay dogs, but most people call finder/holder dogs RCD's. Also a rough cur type is not a finder holder in my book. Yes they will do it, but if a dog bays just because he gets on a rough boar he is not a true finder/holder in my eyes. I dont mind if a holder bays because he has been holding for to long, but when I get there he should go back to holding so I can leg the hog. To me thats just a smart dog. Witch goes back to what I said about bulldogs. If he hangs to the death just because he is to hard to use his head he is not going to make a very good finder/holder. There are so many things that go into breeding a good finder/holder its hard to believe. I personaly fell that this type of dog is extremely hard to breed right. I learned most of what I know about this style of hunting through the school of hard nocks. There aren't many people you can get together with that hunt this style, unlike bay dogs. I fell it is pretty easy for a person to find friends and adivice on hunting bay dogs. I try to be respectful of everyones type of hunting even if I have tryed it enough to know its not for me. 1973 If people are hunting "One Out" because its more dangerus then they are doing it for all the wrong reasons. I am not pushing "One Out" hunting on anyone, and stand firm that it should only be tryed by someone who stands to gain from it to lesson cost of owning a biusness. This post was meant to be a tool that someone wanting to try finder/holder type hunting to use and gain from or even make up there mind that it's not for them.
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2009, 11:17:59 am »

I completely understand you L3. Many of people have criticized me for hunting with rough dogs that will find a hog, will hunt out up too 500 yrds or so, and will catch the hogs when they find them. Like i said earlier, i cant afford risking my dogs to run a mile or two across a neighboring place that i dont have permission to chasing a 80 lb shoat and have the risk of getting shot by the neighbor, all for a little 80 lb shoat, just because the dogs would stop em. And like i said earlier IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF TERRIAN AND THE PLACES THAT YOU HUNT in my opinion. To each his own, but i like a dog that will stop a hog, even bigger hogs, because im not all about the running and chasing a hog a mile or two thing with the smaller places that we hunt. and i do AGREE with L3 that trying to breed a dog like this takes alot. you have some of them that just have everything you want in them naturally, but trying to get a dog that will hunt out a ways, find a hog, and then hold em there till you get there is a hard thing to find in breeding a dog.

like Circle C said in a earlier post, the best thing to do is to keep an open mind about hog hunting and the different styles and or dogs used, until u have actually done it that way, and whatever types of style seems best for you, then use it. I dont think there is hardly any WRONG type of hog hunting or WRONG type of dogs used. JMO
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2009, 11:24:54 am »

i have two that are full time rcds they are pit bmc redbone crosses  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2009, 11:33:00 am »

Thanks for taking the time to write guys. Please post as much info as you can so that people that have quetions can learn and gain from a post like this.
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