Running Catch Dogs (How Many Have)

[Black Gold]

I think there are many who talk (type) TONS more action and experience than they actually have.

I've said this before......If you can go in the woods with a pug and come out with a hog and you and your dog are alive then you are hog hunting and doing what we all enjoy.

As far as the Bloom's being fakes.....I can assure you they are not.....Is some of the footage staged or "edited"....sure it is...it is a production, not a documentary.....but I have hunted with their dogs and them and came out of the wild with some NICE boars.....They are for real and their dogs hunt....usually 2-3 at a time.

One-out is safer done 2-out but take my opinion for what it is worth.........

If you one-out and your dog is killed when his back-up is still tied in the back of the truck........You'll have to live with that......I prefer to give my dogs every advantage possible....back-up included......to each his own......

[Circle C]

If you one-out and your dog is killed when his back-up is still tied in the back of the truck........You'll have to live with that......I prefer to give my dogs every advantage possible....back-up included......to each his own......

Ditto!

[L3Outdoors]

The post is not about "One Out" dogs, it's about finder/holders and what has and hasn't worked for people. The Blooms have some good dogs and I know Cody and the people that they hunted with in the US keep them strait. But there are alot of people that swear they have bought hogs from them and they ended up on the video. One of them was the guy that trained Doze. But as I said I dont know them very well. If they are hunting "One Out" because it looks good on film then I dont agree with it at all. If you get a dog killed because you didn't have a back up dog ready or you exspect a small dog to safely hold a pig "One Out" then I dont agree with that ether.

[Bryant]

If you get a dog killed because you didn't have a back up dog ready...

Well if you have a back-up dog ready, what's the logic behind not sending both?  How do you know dog #1 is in trouble before you get right up on the catch?  Do you lead dog #2 with you as you walk to the caught pig just in case?

Of the dogs I've personally lost, and the others that I have been witness to, all were either mortally wounded or dead upon our arrival to the catch.

[TexasHogDogs]

A real hog dog is a real hog dog dont matter were he came from are how he is bred.  I think folks get a little carried away and  far fetched and get the cross hairs off the target which is getting the hog are hogs in the end , catch , shoot , stab are putting it in a head lock  who cares  .  I hunt with a lot of differnt people and it dont matter to me which way they want to do it .   If a dog  can find a hog thats great, if he can stop a hog that is great, if he can catch a hog that is great also it dont matter how many dogs  it takes are what breed are breeding  they are as long as the pork chops are on the pit at the end of the day and you yourself are happy .  This is just my opinion please nobody take it the wrong way hope not .

TexasHogDogs

Jim

[slimpickins]

Nicely put Jim.

[L3Outdoors]

Bryant the answer is yes you do.

[longshot]

Bryant the answer is yes you do.

  Yes you do what?


To add to what Bryant said the FEW small handfull of dogs that I have witnessed killed over the years were taken from this earth long before we arrived to the hog.........possably seconds from finding it.

 Just curious, how you can send backup if your one dog is in trouble and how you know he is in trouble when you cant see the hog until you arrive on the scene? 

Again, Just curious
Longshot

[txmaverick]

Ok so to stay on track.............Finder/holder seems you are talking about finder/catcher. All my dogs are finder/holder (if that is the term you want to use) dogs, they find a hog and push it so hard it has to bay. They do this by either catching it out right on smaller hogs or by working it like stock dogs would work a rough cow, then if they know they are in danger back off and bay. Holding a hog does not mean they catch every hog, holding means they hold a hog at bay, in other words making one bay, not just follow it until it wants to bay. If it tries to break then they are on its ass like stink to make it bay again. To the point if a big boar breaks into the open they will tag that stinky end and make him squeal like a pig.

If you mean finder/catcher then your back to RCDs or one dog out............this is why everyone keeps going back to the one dog out thing.

Now as for the "lesson the cost of owning a business" comment......are you saying that those of us that use bay dogs are in business?

Finder/holder or finder/catcher is a new term to me for sure but I am not to proud to learn something new as long as it makes sense. Just not sure the finder/holder or finder/catcher terms makes sense, it just seems like an contridiction of words.

[TexasHogDogs]

One dog out ?
I guess this would mean one dog and one  dog only is a finder , a holder  and a catcher ,  are in my opinion this would be a  super dog with a short life  .

I can see why you say these dogs are very hard to breed if it was easy to get dogs like this why would anybody need a pack of dogs  ?

This is me but I could not ever see this kind of dog working in the country I live in to much brush to many thorn thicketts and just to thick period .  I know I would not want to walk up in a briar thickett so thick you cant see   with one dog only holding are catching  and me legging it  not on some of the hogs I have seen anyway.  I sure would not want to do this either in the corn stalks man you talk about dangerous now .  Out in the open country I could see it working maybe if your dog was the total package .

I never seen these kinds of dogs myself Iam just going by my own experince with hog hunting and what I know to be true .  I can see how someone said it is not easy breeding these types of dogs and I would think they are few and far between the real ones.  My dogs are what I thought about as ruff as they come because we have caught and legged many a hogs from 225 to around 290 but I just cant see just one of my dogs doing this by himself .

Anyway good luck I will stick to my style  even tho I would love to see those kinds of dogs work some day just to say I seen it with my own eyes.

TexasHogDogs

Jim

[buddylee]

I have a great dane/pit male I'm hoping to turn into a RCD. I try to hunt very close range dogs. All I and the RCD's need is to hear a bark, grunt or squel. If they are close enough then you and the RCD can hopefully get there in time with the catch dog before anyone gets hurt. I've never hunted in Texas but I know some places here in Georgia where the hogs don't bay, they just run so even then a RCD is worthless. I think the ideal place for a running catch dog is when the hogs have SOME experience with dogs. A friend of mine hunts with 8 dogs running loose and too pits. His dogs hunt close range and are extremely gritty. He catches more hogs than me but also buys more staples than me. Where I am hunting determines what I take. I prefer a loose baydog, one or two RCD's and a pit. It is really good if the RCD stays close to the strike dog so it can catch what the strike dog finds. Sometimes too many ruff dogs can be bad especially in the thick stuff. In the open a dog has room to move around and swing off of the big hogs. Most of our hurt dogs have come in thick stuff with a pack of dogs. Just my 3 cents !

[chancebrown]

A real hog dog is a real hog dog dont matter were he came from are how he is bred.  I think folks get a little carried away and  far fetched and get the cross hairs off the target which is getting the hog are hogs in the end , catch , shoot , stab are putting it in a head lock  who cares  .  I hunt with a lot of differnt people and it dont matter to me which way they want to do it .   If a dog  can find a hog thats great, if he can stop a hog that is great, if he can catch a hog that is great also it dont matter how many dogs  it takes are what breed are breeding  they are as long as the pork chops are on the pit at the end of the day and you yourself are happy .  This is just my opinion please nobody take it the wrong way hope not .

TexasHogDogs

Jim

Thats the best way you could had put it

[chancebrown]

i hunt places where all the hogs there break, thats when it makes me regret not breeding my bulldog to a greyhound. i have caught hogs that tried to break and my rcds just grabbed them on the ear or nose and held on until the catch dogs got there, but there have been those times where the hog broke, and just flat out ran my rcds till they were so tired they had to come back

[ninja]

Its a very efficient way to catch hogs, especially runners.  That's all michelle mears of florida would own.  If it bayed she got rid of it.  She swore that hogs on her lease would never bay up and without an enduro dog which is what she called them you'd never catch one.  She vested all her dogs and they all got cut all the time but rarely killed.  I had a lab/pit that would hunt with any cur or hound  , would hunt long range, cross any water or thick woods, hell of a nose and hang on all day.  I've said this a thousand times, if you bypass the bay you will catch more hogs.  

[Eric]

I have had dogs and have hunted with dogs that would find and catch. 99% of the time it wasn't a good thing or didn't turn out well.

Also, as Chris said... since when do RCD have to find and catch hogs?

If you use good dogs that catch smart and some good cut gear you shouldn't loose any more dogs than with any other style of hunting. With that said BULLDOGS do not make good running catch dogs as a hole. You get your super stars, but for the most part they dont use there head when holding and find them selves jacked up a tree or worse. Not picking on bulldogs just stateing my exsperence with them. I dont care for holding dogs that have more than 50% or so bull blood in them. To much bull blood and you run into some problems biggest being that they will catch the first hog they come to even if its 10 pounds. I fell a good holding dog should dance like a boxer with both eyes open watching the hog and there suroundings. JMO

This is a very debatable paragraph as a whole in my opinion.

If I remember correctly... it was not long ago that you posted a video of a dog that caught a hog. After there were some very negative reviews of the way the dog was caught you said some thing along the lines of... all you expect a dog to do is hold a hog long enough for you to kill it.

Now you are saying "dog should dance like a boxer with both eyes open watching the hog and there suroundings". That is quite the contradiction from a couple months ago.

There are pleanty of bulldogs out there that would strike hogs if you trained them to and would catch. No matter how well the dog caught, how much vest you put on them... one day that dog would meet its maker. There is always a bigger and badder hog out there.

[McCoy]

I use 3 big ole ridgeback that will find and catch and and old walker/ cur that is rough as hell to let me know where they are at i have two that I know could go one out I just don't chance it but have done it.

One thing I don't understand why folks give Josh so much crap when he posts he a good guy that hunts hard hell his wife loves to hunt so in short why don't yall back the hell off!

[ninja]

The key to the rcd which stands for running catch dog, which means the dog finds the hog and then catches it, is to use cut collars and vests and get to the dogs as fast as possible.  Most of the times you'll hear the grunt, squeal or fight.  In my opinion its the most efficient way to catch hogs especially runners.  The dog doesn't bay or bark so the hog doesn't get a chance to escape.  If you use more than one and they're use to hunting together then they'll just pile on.  Most people that haven't hunted much like this will always disagree.  Michelle mears kept a kennel full of these dogs and she wrote for boar hunter magazine.  Her dogs were dogo/catahoula, pit/leopard, foundation bmc, straight pit, and other crosses but they would all hunt deep and run to catch.  The lab/pit that I had made most other dogs look weak and stupid.  Be sure to break your dogs off stock(cows, horses, goats,etc) completely before going to the woods.  I made that mistake once and things got ugly. 

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I understand what Josh is talking about, its another style of hunting, with a differant style of dog is all.

I have some intrest in the finder/holder myself, this is not a RCD like ya'll are thinking about. It will not work everywhere. No body seems to be trying to talk anybody into doing it. And many don't understand anything about them. He is talking about clasic Austrailian style finder/ holders( I believe), that does not mean "One out" dogs.

I hunt two ways, one is for fun, I load up my bay dogs and a catch dog and go hunting like everyone else.

But while I am working, checking cattle, feeding, fencing going to and from I like to have two dogs on the truck that I can drop on hogs that they can see or wind, I want those dogs to track by sight, sent, and sound and catch asap. We are over run with hogs in my country and while I am working I need to be able to catch some hogs quick and get back to work. I have alot of neighbors that are having big hog problems and need some help. They are not crazy about droping 4-5 bay dogs in a pasture and chasing pigs everywhere, but droping two dogs that will run and catch is a little differant deal.

I can see a time in the near future where alot of ranchers and farmers in west Texas will be buying and using  pairs of finder/holder type dogs to do a job. They are not in it for the fun of the hunt, they want to kill the hogs that are eating them out of house and home.

For example: I am checking wheat pasture cattle horseback and I am pulling a trailer with two horses. I am driving between pastures and as I pull up to the next place I see a sounder running off the wheat with a big boar bringing up the rear. Now I don't want to turn out 3-4 baydogs and follow up with a catch dog and hope they can stop the big boar before he ends up on the neighbors place a mile away. I want to be able to drop two dogs that can run a mile and catch the boar, then back to work.

Just my two cents, HAHA

Now if ya'll want to jump on me for that, then go right ahead, HAHA

Thank,
Paul T

[Circle C]

Ninja,

The key to the rcd which stands for running catch dog, which means the dog finds the hog and then catches it, is to use cut collars and vests and get to the dogs as fast as possible.

When I am referring to a RCD, I am talking about a catch dog that is running loose either near me, or with the strike dogs. bulldog, cur, or any cross...Just no bay, all catch.  I expect the strike dogs to find the hog, and the RCD to catch the hogs.

I think what you and I are calling RCD are two different dogs... difference is yours finds hogs, mine does not.

[shawn]

The way we use an RCD now is as a short ranged dog that runs loose but stays near us, yeah they can and will find a pig sometimes but for the most part they are just out to catch or shut down runners.

The best one I had personally I got rid of because I didn't realize that was really his job and he was damn good at it, I was trying to make a strike dog out of him and he just didn't have the range or nose for that kind of work, lol

Always an interesting topic and usually gets a lot of responses, good or bad, seems it it split down the middle on the use of them. To me a RCD is what it is, a running catch dog. If you just use bulldogs or dogs similar (one out types) that to me is a strike dog, unless your spot-lighting and dropping them off a truck or 4 wheeler when spotting a group.

I maybe wrong though, I'm just a wannabe....