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« on: August 23, 2012, 02:18:14 pm »

Notice the snitch fund has no money in it.  This law, HB1451 was to be self funding but as it goes just something else to cost the tax payers with no sight of any income.

>From RPOA Texas Outreach and
Responsible Pet Owners Alliance
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August 22, 2012

The Breeder Advisory Committee of Texas Department of Licensing & Regulation
(TDLR) met yesterday regarding the administration and enforcement of HB
1451, the HSUS Anti-Breeding Bill. The nine member Breeders Advisory
Committee only had five members in attendance and in order to have a quorum,
TDLR had to present Steve Epperson (representing Texas breeders on the
committee) with his Breeder License before the meeting began so he could
vote.

HSUS and Texas Humane Legislation Network (THLN) were out in full force as
usual. Some items of interest gleaned from the meeting:

1. TDLR must ask the legislature for appropriations because they face a 5%
to 10% budget cut for the coming year as do all state departments. (The
Legislature was told this bill wouldn't cost anything and would be revenue
neutral?) Chairman Frank Denton says there is a "fail safe" in HB 1451
however with the Snitch Fund although he didn't call it that! Technically
it is an online complaint system (anonymous complaints accepted) that may
pay up to $1,000 for convictions regarding TDLR Rule violations. Officially
called the Training and Enforcement Fund.

2. The Snitch Fund has a "zero" balance at the present time, Denton
reported, but TDLR sent out a press release with instructions on how to make
nonprofit tax deductible credit card donations.

3. During Public Comments: Skip Trimble (THLN) complained because the
material for the committee's consideration wasn't available until 5 minutes
before the meeting. Trimble disagreed with the proposed penalties, demanded
to know who wrote them, and claimed they are not what legislators "wanted."
Insisted it must be more punitive.

4. Cile Holloway (THLN) claimed she represented 15,000 members in Texas and
disagreed with the penalties also as more should be in the "most serious"
categories.

5. Katie Jarl, state director for HSUS, expressed her concerns and said
they will be back at future meetings to revisit cage sizes, cage stacking
and wire flooring. Was there ever any doubt? And the next meeting and the
next meeting, ad nauseum.

6. Bill Kuentz, TDLR director, said that even the seven commissioners on
the board all had different opinions on the penalties. Administration and
enforcement by TDLR is on a very fluid basis, depending on the makeup of the
Commission and the Breeders Advisory Committee over time.

7. There are reportedly six total TDLR inspectors and investigators trained
at this time, who will also determine the working dog exemptions on a case
by case basis. In other words, making the rules as they go. They have
started the inspections. Anyone selling puppies or kittens before receiving
their license is in violation of state law. No cat breeders have applied to
date.

8. Cristine Kaiser with TDLR presented a matrix to provide guidance for
penalties but it was not adopted yesterday. A working committee was
appointed to provide more input for the comissioners at their next meeting.
Christine Kaiser commented that there are breeders in remote secluded areas
who have the opportunity to carry on illegal sales of drugs and property.
Not clear why this was relevant unless pet breeders are considered to be
potential criminals?

9. Of significant interest was the resignation before the meeting began of
committee member Dr. Lori Teller, former president of Texas Veterinary
Medical Association. Dr. Teller wrote what RPOA has been saying all along.
"We are driving the good breeders out of business and sending the bad
breeders underground." Amen and thank you, Dr. Teller, for telling it like
it is!
From: Lori Teller
Dear All,
I am sorry that I could not attend today's meeting. I hope it went well
and much good was accomplished. I sincerely believe that all of you are a
dedicated bunch; however, effective immediately, I am resigning my position
on the Advisory Committee. I have put much thought and soul-searching into
this, and I have become disillusioned with the process. Unfortunately, I do
not feel that we are going down the right road to improve animal welfare by
stopping puppy mill breeders while encouraging the good breeders to
continue. I think we are driving the good breeders out of business and
sending the bad breeders underground, where they will continue to crank out
unhealthy animals and continue the cycle of neglect and abuse. The breeders
who do seriously care about the animals they raise and improving the breeds
they are passionate about will either be out of business, or at the least,
out of state. Certainly, we are not making life better for either the
citizens or the animals of Texas.

I greatly appreciate getting to work with each of you. This has been an
incredible learning experience for me, and I will certainly be observing how
things progress in the future.
Yours truly,
Lori Teller, DVM, DABVP (canine/feline), CVJ
Meyerland Animal Clinic
4995 W. Bellfort
Houston, TX 77035
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 09:32:55 pm »

so we lost probably the only sane person on the board . hard times ahead . i'll be at first monday trade days and see how the exemption holds up for working dogs  . i'll bet it will be like a ghost town at dog alley .
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 10:59:44 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 03:29:25 pm »

I read the HB 1451 bill, but I don't remember it saying that ALL breeders must be licensed... I thought that was only if you have 7-9 intact breeding females?
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 10:10:21 pm »

actually ryan i think it is still 11 or more intact females . but i'm sure that will change if not kept on top of . in all acuality as bad as this bill is . it is nothing compaired to the usda / aphis proposal in wich the hsus and the feds want that number to be four intact females . canton is full of puppy millers and they usually hold about twenty bitches to breed . not canton it's self but the people that come there from afar to sell at first monday . i wonder how the texas bill or if it will even effect them  . but if the govt. was gonna make a showing i'd bet that first monday would be a major target for them .
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 09:30:15 am »

That's what I was thinking... So if you have less than 11 breeding females you don't have to be licensed? Or does that include female puppies too?
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 10:23:00 am »

they way it reads now is intact females 6 months and older [ breeding age ] . hell i've allways prefered to hunt bitch dogs i guess i'm gonna have to change my ways if the dog community don't get it together . i get so tired of hearing the old song and dance about how the bill don't hurt me cause i don't breed dogs blah blah blah  . lol these lttle laws as there called are just rungs on a ladder and the powers that be are slowly climbing to the top .
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