lack of respect

[Lance]

 Both of my sisters are teachers. One High School and the other Jr. High. Some of the stories they tell me and some of the things that kids say to them are horrible. I'm 36, and when I was in school I might think something bad but I did'nt say it to the teacher. I knew if I did it was a paddle at school and even worse when I got home . Too many kids are diagnosed with behavioral problems or ADHD, all most of them need are some bruises on their butt. Over medicating children and time outs don't work but a good come to Jesus meeting does. All of these alternative classes for kids that act up don't work. It is just a way for them to get out of class and not do their work which is what they wanted to begin with. Put a paddle on their butt and send them back to class.

As far as Christian prayer in school goes, I thank God it was there when I went to school. I know a few Atheist and most of them are good people with good morals, but I think that their good morals come from values that were instilled in them and those basic values come from a Christian foundation from past generations in their family. They can scream Atheist all they want to but most of their ancestors were from a Christian based religion. This country was founded on freedom of religion, and yes that also includes freedom to no religion. But I want my children to be able to pray in school if they want to and I never saw a child forced to pray if they did'nt want to when I was in school. I don't care how you look at it, there is no denying that most of the laws and moral codes of this country were based on Christian beliefs. Just imagine if they were based on Sharia Law or Satanic beliefs. I believe that most of the problems with todays children comes from a lack of discipline, a lack of GOD and a lack of a blistered butt !

[dodgegirl]

I tell you what, I don't have kids now but if I did and a someone other than myself or their father paddled them I would have a Major problem with that. In my eyes a teacher should call the parents, make them aware of the problem & let them handle it how ever they choose to.

[dub]

My problem is when a police officer questions my child without me being there or giving my permission. Getting a paddle without my permission is one thing but being questioned by police can have legal consequences that last for a lifetime. RL I am saying the paddle has been taken out and a penal system put in its place. A child lost his phone and said my son stole it. Nobody contacted me until after my son was questioned by the police. My son had not taken the phone and could not have but his rights were violated in a way much worse than a paddle.

Dodgegirl I mean no disrespect when I say that the fact that you have problem with the paddle is exactly the social problem I am talking about. There used to be a show called Star Trek. On that show was the very logical character Spock. He did not have emotions and did not state opinions. In a Star Trek movie everyone was going to die so he went into the room and saved everyone else but was going to die from exposer. He told Captain Kirk "the needs of the many out way the needs of the few or one." Today people say the needs of the few or the one out way the needs of the many. That is just not logical.

RL I know your occupation and I know you are not a teacher. As far as praying it is a documented medical fact not opinion that people that are prayed for have faster recovery if they are prayed for. Even if the patient does not know they are being prayed for.

A 1993 Israeli survey following 10,000 civil servants for 26 years found that Orthodox Jews were less likely to die of cardiovascular problems than "nonbelievers." And a 1995 study from Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., monitoring 250 people after open-heart surgery concluded that those who had religious connections and social support were 12 times less likely to die than those who had none.

In an attempt to understand the depression that often accompanies hospitalization, Duke University researchers assessed 1,000 hospital patients from 1987 to 1989; patients who drew on religious practices, including prayer, were found to cope far better than those who didn't.

In the most widely publicized studies of the effect of intercessory prayer, cardiologist Randolph Byrd studied 393 patients admitted to the coronary-care unit at San Francisco General Hospital. Some were prayed for by home-prayer groups, others were not. All the men and women got medical care. In this randomized, double-blind study, neither the doctors and nurses nor the patients knew who would be the object of prayer.

The results were dramatic and surprised many scientists.The men and women whose medical care was supplemented with prayer needed fewer drugs and spent less time on ventilators. They also fared better overall than their counterparts who received medical care but nothing more. The prayed-for patients were:

Significantly less likely to require antibiotics (3 patients versus 16)

Significantly less likely to develop pulmonary edema-a condition in which the lungs fill with fluid because the heart cannot pump properly (6 versus 18).

Significantly less likely to require insertion of a tube into the throat to assist breathing (0 versus 12).

Less likely to die (but this difference was not statistically significant).

I could go on and on. I grew up in a home that church was a four letter word. I know for a fact that there is a God and if you seek God with all your heart you will find God. I was drunk the night I cried out for God and God heard me and changed my life and who I am. So I ask you if someone wanted to speak out loud to all the kids and said a dragon was coming to burn the city down and eat everyone who would be upset? So then why when someone says Jesus will return and judgment will be passed and you will either go to Heaven or hell do people get so upset? I drive by a man that stands on the side of the road or in the field yelling at the air and fighting the air. Nobody seems too concerned about him. If the Christians are just crazy and speaking to the air why do people want to shut them up? If I said you were the worst mechanic in Texas would you be upset? What if I said you were the worst CPA? People only get upset about the truth and/or if it can actually cause damage to them. No person gets to decide who goes to Heaven or hell so why do people get upset about a simple prayer?

So some people support Christ and are pro-Christ. Some are against Christ and are anti-Christ. I would say you are either pro-Christ or anti-Christ. The line is drawn in the sand and you have to pick a side. Of course maybe I am just crazy but then why would you be upset?

[reatj81]

Dub 
I'm looking for the like button!

[Lance]

Dub 
I'm looking for the like button!

 There is no like button. You've got to go old school and enter it manually !
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[RL]

My problem is when a police officer questions my child without me being there or giving my permission.

RL I am saying the paddle has been taken out and a penal system put in its place. A child lost his phone and said my son stole it. Nobody contacted me until after my son was questioned by the police. My son had not taken the phone and could not have but his rights were violated in a way much worse than a paddle.

I agree.  It was wrong.  I guess the solution is to teach our children their legal rights and to demand that their parents be present before answering any Qs.  Not easy to do as they are typically intimidated by authority figures  ...  but I'm with you  ...  they should have a parent present.

[RL]

Dub, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post.  Thank you.

[dub]

I am glad you enjoyed it and I hope it made you think.

[Hamilton_hogger]

There are more disrespectfull kids than respectfull these days.  I blame it on video games internet ..mostly just internet? We dont get cable its not a necessit

[Easttex91]

I tell you what, I don't have kids now but if I did and a someone other than myself or their father paddled them I would have a Major problem with that. In my eyes a teacher should call the parents, make them aware of the problem & let them handle it how ever they choose to.

Out of curiosity why?

[dodgegirl]

I tell you what, I don't have kids now but if I did and a someone other than myself or their father paddled them I would have a Major problem with that. In my eyes a teacher should call the parents, make them aware of the problem & let them handle it how ever they choose to.

Out of curiosity why?

I feel that its the parents job to teach their kid right from wrong. And if the child does something wrong its the parents job to correct it. You don't really know your child's teacher all that great, so its like letting a stranger pop your kid. That just the way I see it.

[dub]

Well do you hear the way kids talk to teachers? I promiss you that did not happen when the paddle was used. The little old lady teacher would just call the coach. They did not just go around giving pops to all the kids. Now I got more than most. But I can tell you I deserved almost everyone of them. Most kids never got a pop.

But to me it teaches kids respect. The kids know without a doubt who is in charge. If you can teach your kid that then they would never see the paddle. Me I was (am) hard headed.

I knew a guy from Jamaica. I was the most well mannered person you could meet. Were talking about teachers using the paddle and how people wanted it out of the school. He said that if you got out of line in school the teacher would get the paddle. But he said Jamaica is a small island so everyone knew if you got in trouble at school. So when you were going home the women would come out and spank you as you went home. When you got home your mother would spank you. Then when your father got home home you got spanked again. So the children were very well behaved.

If you think a parent can control every child you have not met many children. I work with children at my church. I do not use any punishment at all. They can send me the worst child and I can get most in line. Mostly bcause I am big and loud but I never threaten them. Instead I listen and talk to them. I make sure they know I care. I have had children listen to me that were completely out of control and nobody could control them. But there are children that it does not work. In that case we only have two hours to deal with them. Those are the children that the paddle can keep in line. That was the kid I was. I was going to do what I wanted when I wanted. Unless my mom was there because I knew I would get spanked. It all kept me in line. So as a child that got that [addle many times I think it should be used and if the parent does not lik it then teach the child to behave. Because this is the real world and parents won't always be there to correct the hard headed children.

Of course this is just my opinion. We don't have to agree. I can respect the opinion of others. I know at my nephew's school the parents can say yes or no to the paddle. I think that is a great option. So if the child should get the paddle suspend them and let the parents have to miss work to care for their out of control child. Me I say put that paddle on their behind and I bet they change that behavior. I would rather get punched in the face than get fire from a job too.

[Joe Tullos]

i got thirty seven licks from a paddle from an ag teacher. that doesnt include the ones from vp or coachs. i desserved all of the. if my focks found out i got it again at home. think it made a better man out of me. i had two daughters and they were raised the same. never had to get them out of jail or drug rrehab. the man that wrote how to raise kids without punishment well his son committed suicide. imagine that

[dodgegirl]

My parents have never paddled any of us kids and we've all turned out well mannered and very respectful. My pops use to give us a look that would just scare the you know what out of us and we would stop what we were doing & never do it again. Or he would sit us down and talk to us.

[Lance]

My parents have never paddled any of us kids and we've all turned out well mannered and very respectful. My pops use to give us a look that would just scare the you know what out of us and we would stop what we were doing & never do it again. Or he would sit us down and talk to us.

  I know some kids like you just described. Give them a good hard look and they straighten up. My oldest boy is like that . All you have to do is put a good guilt trip on him and he is good for a couple of weeks. But my youngest is the exact opposite. He is a clone of me when I was young. He's hyper active, extremely smart, hard headed, bad temper and prone to really mess up if he gets bored. If it was'nt for many belts at home and paddles at school then I know I probably whould have ended up in prison. When I was a kid it was understood between all of the parents of my friends and I that if one of us messed up then the other parents could whoop us too and nobody had a problem with it and I took plenty of spankings from my friends parents. I guess maybe the parents all knew eachother very well and trusted eachother. Schools want to expel children for everything now. I would rather my kids take a couple licks with a paddle and go back to class than get expelled from school for a week.

[RL]

ii had two daughters and they were raised the same. never had to get them out of jail or drug rrehab. the man that wrote how to raise kids without punishment well his son committed suicide. imagine that

Anecdoctal support for your view?  I have a son and a daughter.  Neither were struck as a means of discipline, especially by a virtual stranger (teacher, coach, etc.).  One is an Army officer and the other a physicist.  Neither has ever been in jail or drug rehap.

The fortunate thing is that all this discussion will never lead back to the day when teachers had the unfettered right to assault a child.  You as an individual might give permission.  That is your choice.  But they will never had that option again without parental consent.   Many of you may view that as a bad thing.  I view it as a good thing.

[dub]

I have three children and they are all completely different and must be treated different. I would give full permission to paddle my oldest and just let me know what he did. My second son I would want to be contacted before he was paddled. My daughter I would not let get paddled.

What I think is funny is that people with no children or one child have all the answers. Two think they have a good understanding. Three and they know that they don't know. Parents with four or more children never give parenting advice just encouragement. Why? Because they know that every child is different. There is not one way that will work on every child from the same family so the parents have to figure it out. They also know that parenting is very stressful.

But dodgegirl remember it takes a village to raise a child. That means you are going to need help. There is no way you can do all the discapline. My aunt tried it and it lasted until the third child. To be honest she just looked crazy.

At church there are two boys. They were so bad people did not want them to come to church. Their poor mother was doing her best but was at her wits end dealing with them. So I tried talking to them but they would not listen. The one day they hit several kids. I knew they had been fussed at so many times already. So when they hit my son and a few others. I stopped them. With my two bad knees I got down and looked them in the eyes and said "did you know that I want to hit people too? I want to hit poeple most of the time." You should have seen their faces. Nobody had every just said they understood. Maybe because most people don't want to hit people. But then I talked about why I don't hit people. Then I just listened to them. After that when they were out of control I would get called. Now I would like to say that I could always calm them down but I always had time for them. When others could not understand why I would work with them and ignore the other kids I just kept on. I was able to talk to the mom and explain why her boys acted like they did. If the mother had handled all the discapline and not let someone else help they would still be out of control. The mom was and is a great mom. I only helped her understand her sons because I listened and then I could explain to the mom what the boys could not. Now when I see them they are always where they should be and behaving. That is because of their mom. When I talk to them they still climb on me. It takes a village to raise kids. Always be open to let others help. Now I am not saying that means let everyone correct your child. You pick the village.

I just wish there was more parent involvement and parents really trying to understand their children.

[RL]

I have three children and they are all completely different and must be treated different. I would give full permission to paddle my oldest and just let me know what he did. My second son I would want to be contacted before he was paddled. My daughter I would not let get paddled.

Excellent point.  It should be a parental decision, not a blanket one size fits all type.

I just wish there was more parent involvement and parents really trying to understand their children.

Wouldn't that be nice.  All we can control is our own involvement.  We should all strive for that.

[dwhd93]

Dads paddle mommas pine tar soap and pawpaws wire end of a fly swatter always kept me in line haha

[Stick]

Spare the rod, spoil the child