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« on: September 19, 2012, 03:51:14 pm » |
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Looking for some insight on why you dont see more charbray in this part of the world. Plenty of braford and brangus are bred to charlais bull but why not F1 charbray mommas? What am I missing?
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 04:02:15 pm » |
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may have something to do with the white pigment . i know the herfords are and charliase are bad about pinkeye and eye cancers do to the sun . but good question or maybe it's the crazy gene that are in alot of fence jumpimg , gate crashing charlaise and bramahs lol
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 04:22:39 pm » |
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Pigment & size! In general this is pretty poor quality country. It may grow a bunch of grass but it's not real strong. In other words it cost too much to feed them.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 07:11:09 pm » |
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Is a white brahma immuned to the pigment issues? I've seen some pretty damn big braford and crossbred cows that will weigh 14-1600 lbs and nobody was saying "to big" they were saying thats a damn nice cow. I'm not discounting you thoughts just playing devils advocate.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 07:58:37 pm » |
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may have something to do with the white pigment . i know the herfords are and charliase are bad about pinkeye and eye cancers do to the sun . but good question or maybe it's the crazy gene that are in alot of fence jumpimg , gate crashing charlaise and bramahs lol
Charolais don't have pink skin like you might think and have a lot of pigment , pinkeye and cancer eye is a bad hereford trait. Chars that I've had were terrible at gate/fence crashing, both bulls and cows aike. Is a white brahma immuned to the pigment issues? I've seen some pretty damn big braford and crossbred cows that will weigh 14-1600 lbs and nobody was saying "to big" they were saying thats a damn nice cow. I'm not discounting you thoughts just playing devils advocate.
not uncommon for a pure Charolais cow to weigh 1600lbs, through in the growth from heterosis that results from crossing with the brahma and you stand the chance of having A LOT bigger cow, which will result in a less efficient cow which will definantly effect your bottom line. |
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 08:15:56 pm » |
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It has something to do with more where the market is. To me there is not a better than a bramision if I spelled that right. Limousine braman cross. Most people don't recognize the cross but they well be Brown with black tips if out of a black bull and if out of a red bull they will be red with black eyes. Charbay are dang good cattle to.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 10:44:23 pm » |
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I will Second some of the things others have pointed out: size and temperment being big factors. Charbrays do tend to be BIG cows. I'm not a fan of bigs cows of any cross. I've seen too many moderate framed cows out produce those big elaphants They might survive the culling for a few years but the first time they come open its too easy and profitable to "weigh" one of those big elephants.
Another big factor is late maturity. Brahman are late to mature so they are better complimented by early maturing breeds like the herford or Angus. Charlay cattle are late maturing also and you will end up raising the charbray heifers longer before they produce anything for you........Compared to Braford or F1 brangus. Thats not to say Charbray cows are not goods cows. If I were looking to own some I would buy em as middle aged cows 4-5 year olds and cut out the big elaphants.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 02:37:36 am » |
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Some of the biggest bulls I've laid eyes on were Charbray! Three of em came across the scales at the barn and I coulda swore everyone of them bulls were over a ton a piece and were probably pushing 2300-2400 lbs if not more. The crazy thing is how athletic the bulls were, one climbed out the arena and got on the catwalk and cleared in no time flat  |
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 07:36:18 am » |
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The most beautiful/ baddest mommas I ever seen in my life were CharXBra.... Like Im not getting out of this truck you can kiss my butt.  |
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 11:57:17 am » |
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times change and so do the cattle trends and demands for cattle. in the 90's they fed most of the cattle in the west where the bram & bram cross cattle held up and did real good that was the demand for then, now the demand is calves with a little hair that can stand the winters in the panhandle, ok, and kansas. you have to stay with the demand or get left behind, just my opinion  |
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 02:52:19 pm » |
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Charla. X Angus. Is what I tryed this year on forty of my older cows an have been happy with the out come
Caves have put the pounds on an had no problem caving
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