Papers don't make a dog!!

[7Mhunter]

Papers don't make the dog, that I agree on.  But like a professional field trial trainer once told me, and he trained some great Labs on the circuit, "If you want to buy a horse with the intentions of winning the Kentucky Derby, are you going to look in the classified sectioni of the local paper for your horse?"

Best Lab I ever owned had the best pedirgree possible and she lived up to the expectations of every drop of that blood.  Best hog dog I've ever owned is a half plott, half mt. cur.  
I believe my hog dog was the one in a million.  The lab on the otherhand wasn't.

I knew I could bred that Lab to another well bred lab and the odds of good pups was pretty high.  But I go to breed that half breed hog dog, tell me what in the heck I'd breed her too?  I got no foundation.  Picking a male to breed her to is a shot in the dark.

An unpapered dog can and may hunt the hair off my papered dogs.  But they are what I choose to feed, plain and simple.  I don't claim to be an expert in animal husbandry, so I leave that up to the ones that are, in my case that would be Robert Kemmer.

No matter what a person decides to hunt, they have to be happy with it, papers or no papers.  And if the dog won't hunt, papers are just as worthless as the dog.

exactly papers are good on some dogs and except when people are like oh there the best no there not you can find a regular dog just as good

[Easttex91]

registerd bmc by far almost the dumbest thing in the world

What's dumb about it?

[7Mhunter]

Cause people are always oh registerd black mouth oh there so good and registered dogs are the best uhh no there not

[doggintexas]

7Mhunter does your dad sell his dogs or do they just go out to friends and family?

[BA-IV]

7M. Your dad is ray modisett right? Does any of yalls dogs ever come out with glass eyes or cracked glass eyes ? Reason I ask is a buddy of mine bought 2 year old dogs and 3 or 4 pups from a guy in lufkin and the dogs were posed to be straight off rays dogs. One of the year old male dogs had a cracked glass eye.
I ended up with one of the gyps.

What about this 7mHunter?

[7Mhunter]

Sorry guys i was in school lol usually no we had a half running walker named glass that died  alot of our friends had her but i think ben wilson bred her she wa glass eyed who was the guy and i could tell you anything you wanna no about our dogs and yes my dad is ray modisett

[7Mhunter]

7Mhunter does your dad sell his dogs or do they just go out to friends and family?

depends i sell my pups which are all directly off my dads dogs

[Hog Dog Mike]

Here is something else to think about. Just because the papers say a particular dog is the sire don't make it so. Lots of folks sent dogs off to be bred to a winning male but the female was actually bred to something else.

Not long ago there was a scandal about this in the bird dog world. They got to DNA testing and some folks that had made a great deal of money on dogs got banned.

[7Mhunter]

Here is something else to think about. Just because the papers say a particular dog is the sire don't make it so. Lots of folks sent dogs off to be bred to a winning male but the female was actually bred to something else.

Not long ago there was a scandal about this in the bird dog world. They got to DNA testing and some folks that had made a great deal of money on dogs got banned.

exactly we had our colonel freckels gelding dna tested

[AnthonyB]

This subject like a few others always make me laugh a little. For starters, what do you care, if your not buying or owning registered dogs, what's it to you if people prefer to do just that? Their not spending your money or time to do so are they. It's always the same, "papers don't make a dog hunt" that's true, papers are just that, paper. They don't make a dog do anything, but they also don't make a dog "not" do anything either. If someone chooses to spend "their" money on what ever dogs they want, that's their choice. Most of the people that I know could care less about opinions on registration one way or the other, and just chuckle at the haters that show up from time to time. If a person doesn't understand how registration is used that's fine, but some do. At any rate calling out or ridiculing people that have or buy what they like and prefer seems a little juvenile.
Anthony

[7Mhunter]

This subject like a few others always make me laugh a little. For starters, what do you care, if your not buying or owning registered dogs, what's it to you if people prefer to do just that? Their not spending your money or time to do so are they. It's always the same, "papers don't make a dog hunt" that's true, papers are just that, paper. They don't make a dog do anything, but they also don't make a dog "not" do anything either. If someone chooses to spend "their" money on what ever dogs they want, that's their choice. Most of the people that I know could care less about opinions on registration one way or the other, and just chuckle at the haters that show up from time to time. If a person doesn't understand how registration is used that's fine, but some do. At any rate calling out or ridiculing people that have or buy what they like and prefer seems a little juvenile.
Anthony

Didn't say i was hating bro i was stating my opinion on it because people are always oh registerd dogs are the best im glad it makes you laugh i can make lots of people laugh im very sarcastic and if anybody dont like my opinion they dont have to read my post!

[AnthonyB]

Your right, it is your opinion, and you have every right to have it, like all of us on this board here. And everyone has to read your post to know wether or not we like your opinion, so in a sense, yes we do have to read it. Let me help you a bit though on the hater thing-

           Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.

Thus, making you a hater. Lol
And, you don't have to read this if you don't like it, it's just my opinion.
Anthony

[7Mhunter]

Your right, it is your opinion, and you have every right to have it, like all of us on this board here. And everyone has to read your post to know wether or not we like your opinion, so in a sense, yes we do have to read it. Let me help you a bit though on the hater thing-

           Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.

Thus, making you a hater. Lol
And, you don't have to read this if you don't like it, it's just my opinion.
Anthony

Im in high school i know what hating means and its not always jealousy or hitting someone

[Justified]

Papers are just papers and there are culls in them, just like any breed. That being said 7m, if you didn't have your daddy's dogs to pick from, where would you be? Hypothetically, lets say a reg Bmc was the same price as a backyard cur, Dam and sire on both sides are of equal caliber in the woods, which pups would you buy to work into your pack and possibly breed later on? The dogs that has a background you can research and trace back or a cur cross you found and do not know exactly what is in the dogs? you are fortunate to have a dad with a good line that you have had the opportunity to pick genetics from, But that is not all of us....that being said, have you ever owned a jam up registered dog? If so, we're your crosses that much better? And if not, how do you know they're not better in some cases?

[riverbottomhoghunter]

Papers are just papers and there are culls in them

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[7Mhunter]

Papers are just papers and there are culls in them, just like any breed. That being said 7m, if you didn't have your daddy's dogs to pick from, where would you be? Hypothetically, lets say a reg Bmc was the same price as a backyard cur, Dam and sire on both sides are of equal caliber in the woods, which pups would you buy to work into your pack and possibly breed later on? The dogs that has a background you can research and trace back or a cur cross you found and do not know exactly what is in the dogs? you are fortunate to have a dad with a good line that you have had the opportunity to pick genetics from, But that is not all of us....that being said, have you ever owned a jam up registered dog? If so, we're your crosses that much better? And if not, how do you know they're not better in some cases?

well i would find an old man thats been doing it all his life with his blood  yall arent getting what im saying when people are like ohh papered dogs are the best well the answer is no thats like saying a registerd quater horseis better than a un registerd horse

[riverbottomhoghunter]

Papers are just papers and there are culls in them, just like any breed. That being said 7m, if you didn't have your daddy's dogs to pick from, where would you be? Hypothetically, lets say a reg Bmc was the same price as a backyard cur, Dam and sire on both sides are of equal caliber in the woods, which pups would you buy to work into your pack and possibly breed later on? The dogs that has a background you can research and trace back or a cur cross you found and do not know exactly what is in the dogs? you are fortunate to have a dad with a good line that you have had the opportunity to pick genetics from, But that is not all of us....that being said, have you ever owned a jam up registered dog? If so, we're your crosses that much better? And if not, how do you know they're not better in some cases?

well i would find an old man thats been doing it all his life with his blood  yall arent getting what im saying when people are like ohh papered dogs are the best well the answer is no thats like saying a registerd quater horseis better than a un registerd horse

              Thats EXACTLY right 7m

[7Mhunter]

Atleast you get what im sayin

[Justified]

Papers are just papers and there are culls in them, just like any breed. That being said 7m, if you didn't have your daddy's dogs to pick from, where would you be? Hypothetically, lets say a reg Bmc was the same price as a backyard cur, Dam and sire on both sides are of equal caliber in the woods, which pups would you buy to work into your pack and possibly breed later on? The dogs that has a background you can research and trace back or a cur cross you found and do not know exactly what is in the dogs? you are fortunate to have a dad with a good line that you have had the opportunity to pick genetics from, But that is not all of us....that being said, have you ever owned a jam up registered dog? If so, we're your crosses that much better? And if not, how do you know they're not better in some cases?

well i would find an old man thats been doing it all his life with his blood  yall arent getting what im saying when people are like ohh papered dogs are the best well the answer is no thats like saying a registerd quater horseis better than a un registerd horse

Papers don't make a dog guys hunting them doe's ive been around dogs all my life and by far i could almost prove that papers don't make a dog registerd bmc by far almost the dumbest thing in the world find someone with old blood lines and buy one cheaper and no im not hating if yall have registerd bmcs just stating my point.

Well the idead of finding a old many with years of his own blood works, but what makes you think hell sell them if theyre so well bred? And i guess that means youve never owned a jam up one? You started the topic by saying registered black mouth is the dumbest thing in the world by far? How is this dumb? You apparently haven't heard our president speak

[Justified]

I get what you're saying but don't knock it till you try it