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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2012, 06:13:11 pm » |
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I'm not gonna throw out names, but feed lot hunting has won many contests over the years... and that's a fact.
And what about all the "previously caught" big boars and sows that folks turn out and feed all year on ranches that are saved for tournament hunts? They're not missing their nuts... but have all been previously caught.
Hog hunting is a small world my friend... there are no secrets.
Personally, I don't give two number 2s about it. When I hunt a contest it's for fun.
The whole point of me bringing it up is because it is unfair to folks who do catch some big barrs... especially when two of your participating contests are right here in SE Texas where catching them is a big possibility.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2012, 06:17:51 pm » |
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I can only assume the ones that have issues with barr hogs, haven't been around many barr hogs? You know what they say about assuming. Not something I want to get into. But I can only assume the people with the biggest problem with "no barrs" are the ones who have them farmed out for a contest. LOL what a joke! Come track hunt 20k acres of pine plantation, youpon thickets and try and briar patches to catch these "Farmed" out Barrs!! Tony, that's exactly what I meant. A lot of the barrs I've caught over the years have run the farthest, fought the hardest and had a kill anything in sight attitude. Anyone that thinks they're fat farm pigs is sadly mistaken. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2012, 06:18:49 pm » |
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I'm not gonna throw out names, but feed lot hunting has won many contests over the years... and that's a fact.
And what about all the "previously caught" big boars and sows that folks turn out and feed all year on ranches that are saved for tournament hunts? They're not missing their nuts... but have all been previously caught.
Hog hunting is a small world my friend... there are no secrets.
Personally, I don't give two number 2s about it. When I hunt a contest it's for fun.
The whole point of me bringing it up is because it is unfair to folks who do catch some big barrs... especially when two of your participating contests are right here in SE Texas where catching them is a big possibility.
All of these contest and I agree that Barrs have a place in contest. You can still enter and win prizes and money for big barrs. |
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2012, 06:20:04 pm » |
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I'm not gonna throw out names, but feed lot hunting has won many contests over the years... and that's a fact.
And what about all the "previously caught" big boars and sows that folks turn out and feed all year on ranches that are saved for tournament hunts? They're not missing their nuts... but have all been previously caught.
Hog hunting is a small world my friend... there are no secrets.
Personally, I don't give two number 2s about it. When I hunt a contest it's for fun.
The whole point of me bringing it up is because it is unfair to folks who do catch some big barrs... especially when two of your participating contests are right here in SE Texas where catching them is a big possibility.
All of these contest and I agree that Barrs have a place in contest. You can still enter and win prizes and money for big barrs. Just not in a stringer.... But in a side pot. |
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2012, 07:07:22 pm » |
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No Barrs allowed in the stringer at a hog hunting contest ! That's crazy and I've never weighed a barr in at a tournament. Caught several but not during a tournament. First Obama and now no barrs allowed!   What's the world coming to ? All these rules and over regulation is to be expected from the Liberals in Washington but now the Liberals are in charge of the Hog Hunting contest !   Next year the winning teams prize money will be taxed for every hog that weighs over 250 pounds and if there are any teams that do not weigh in a full stringer then one hog will be confiscated from each teams stringer and given to the under priviledged hog hunters until every one has the same amount of hogs to weigh in.  Haha |
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2012, 08:58:36 pm » |
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I personally like the idea of no Barr hogs in the stringer myself I think it gives everyone a pretty equal playing field as we all know 99% of the time a Barr hog is going to weigh more than a hog that hasn't been cut and there are a lot of places that people hunt the landowners would kick you off if they found out we were cutting and releasing hogs so in my opinion it makes it a pretty even playing field.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2012, 09:12:58 pm » |
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I personally like the idea of no Barr hogs in the stringer myself I think it gives everyone a pretty equal playing field as we all know 99% of the time a Barr hog is going to weigh more than a hog that hasn't been cut and there are a lot of places that people hunt the landowners would kick you off if they found out we were cutting and releasing hogs so in my opinion it makes it a pretty even playing field.
This is a pretty decent point actually, I don't wanna ruffle feathers as I have friends on both sides of the issue and respect all of y'all, that being said; There's a beautiful slice of Texas where barring hogs is a long held tradition and while it's not like there's a Barr under every thicket, but there's a much much much better chance to catch one in an area where they are the tradition. For the rest of Texas, Barr hogs a extremely few and far between. Here in my area we have cuaght quite a few boars over the last year and I have barred quite a few of them, BUT it is highly unlikely that we ever find one that one of us didn't make ourselves. It is what it is and I've already figured it would several years till I can bring any competitive sized Barr hogs to any comp, but lots of us are working on it. No matter what the rules or who wins it, it is a great accomplishment to even place in any of these comps, so best of luck to each and every hunter who enters it! |
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2012, 09:18:54 pm » |
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T-bob your exactly right I hunt Brazoria and matagorda county and I can't even begin to count how many we have cut and turned loose and I would be safe to say I bet we haven't caught 5 Barr hogs since my uncle started hunting with a govt trapper from bay city in 1978 I have no clue what happens to them or where they go maybe it has to do with our dogs are not worth killing lol. With that being said it doesn't matter to me one way or the other on the tourneys I will hunt them and have a good time doing it so good luck to everyone
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2012, 10:27:13 pm » |
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No Barrs allowed in the stringer at a hog hunting contest ! That's crazy and I've never weighed a barr in at a tournament. Caught several but not during a tournament. First Obama and now no barrs allowed! What's the world coming to ? All these rules and over regulation is to be expected from the Liberals in Washington but now the Liberals are in charge of the Hog Hunting contest ! Next year the winning teams prize money will be taxed for every hog that weighs over 250 pounds and if there are any teams that do not weigh in a full stringer then one hog will be confiscated from each teams stringer and given to the under priviledged hog hunters until every one has the same amount of hogs to weigh in. Haha I like the way you think! |
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2012, 09:27:51 am » |
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By any definition of the word, a Barr hog is a "Pre-caught hog". Tournaments that do not allow barrs are conducted on a basis of straight-up competition.
So barrs don't count because they are "pre-caught"? What if someone turns in a boar hog or a sow with a notched ear? Will they count? |
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2012, 09:33:25 am » |
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No Barrs allowed in the stringer at a hog hunting contest ! That's crazy and I've never weighed a barr in at a tournament. Caught several but not during a tournament. First Obama and now no barrs allowed! What's the world coming to ? All these rules and over regulation is to be expected from the Liberals in Washington but now the Liberals are in charge of the Hog Hunting contest ! Next year the winning teams prize money will be taxed for every hog that weighs over 250 pounds and if there are any teams that do not weigh in a full stringer then one hog will be confiscated from each teams stringer and given to the under priviledged hog hunters until every one has the same amount of hogs to weigh in. Haha Most awesome comment I have probably ever seen on this site!!! It's so true, just like politics. People act like Barrs are around every bush and tree where we hunt. No-one realizes that we did a number 2 ton extra work to get those. We catch 100's of hogs a year live and cut almost every boar hog. It's a democtratic mindset to be upset that "the majority" of hog hunters don't practice this... So to be FAIR we are going to penalize the hog hunters who do EXTRA work That being said in all our tournaments, only once have we had Barrs in a stringer, so we will make do regardless. We don't like giving away our sausage making hogs anyway lol |
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 10:06:24 am » |
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Tony, Eric Really its pretty cool to think, you'll are such great hunters that rules have to be made so others can compete with you'll.
So now you'll need to find some feedlots this year, so they can ban them next year!
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2012, 10:42:17 am » |
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It's simply a decision to sway the rules in favor of someone else, because someone with pull got tired of being on the short side of the stick when it came to winning.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2012, 11:43:37 am » |
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It's simply a decision to sway the rules in favor of someone else, because someone with pull got tired of being on the short side of the stick when it came to winning.
Kinda what I been thinking!! If your not first your last!! And if you come in second, change the rules to give you a better chance!! |
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2012, 11:50:04 am » |
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as far as i know the reason most tournaments dont except barr hogs is because most buying stations wont buy them cause packin plant wont take them. and that cuts into the money that the host is makin for the tournament. dont know if that is the case or if the buyer happens to b takin the hogs to meat plant to send over seas.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2012, 02:17:03 pm » |
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as far as i know the reason most tournaments dont except barr hogs is because most buying stations wont buy them cause packin plant wont take them. and that cuts into the money that the host is makin for the tournament. dont know if that is the case or if the buyer happens to b takin the hogs to meat plant to send over seas.
That's the first I've heard of buying stations not taking them...  Not that we catch many around here, but I know we sold them one Barr that weighed 300 on the dot and they never mentioned anything like that.... I believe it was a southern buying station... |
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2012, 03:02:13 pm » |
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I really don't understand all the griping of no barrs in the stringer like I said before isn't it all about having fun and enjoying to see your dogs do good work. I know there are chances for everyone to catch a Barr hog and it would sure help the stringer weight out a lot. I really don't believe this whole thing of no barrs has anything to do with one team or another it just evens the field for everyone hunting. I am sure us Brazoria county hunters don't have a chance but we are going to give it hell trying.
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2012, 03:41:28 pm » |
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it aint no biggie to me. im just sayin that most buyers dont buy barrs cause they sale them over seas and when they are barred they arent considered wild cause they have been captured. and as far as southeren they aint supposed to buying dog caught hogs anyway. but they probly have alternate buyers from huntin ranches so they take them. I would rather catch a big ol barr over anything but as long as rules are set and followed it dont matter to me. Thats just what i have ran in to in the past with tournaments. but hey i wish all luck in the tournament and hope yall catch alot of hogs!
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2012, 03:55:36 pm » |
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Hunting is about having fun and watching dogs work.
Tournament hunting is something different...no one pays money to enter a tournment wanting to lose, you may not care if you win, but it doesn't stop you from wanting the win.
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2012, 08:59:27 am » |
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Here's an example of rule development. The HT Redfish Series sponsored by Academy is one of the highest pay out and highest regarded trails that exist. At the first tournament in Challmette, LA, a team faced a problem weighing in one of their fish. This rule regards the measuring point of a fish's tail. http://vimeo.com/m/50699910Go to 9:30 for the rule portion of the video. While I'm not trying to compare apples to oranges because hog dogging and fishing are two totally different activities, this does illustrate an important use of rules. It's no secret that Barr hogs typically gain weight after barring. And the use of only non-Barrs in tournament play eliminates the factor of any altered or influenced change to an animals natural state. In an effort to maintain a high criteria of competition in a platform of as much equality is possible, it's simple, no Barr hogs. What will become the result of no-Barr hogs? 1) more weights all hovering around the winning weight. 2) narrower margins of victory From a tournament perspective, both of these factors build "Competition"!!! And I can't emphasize that enough. Because higher competition is what tournament play is all about! |
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