Barrs

[cward]

Come on people stand up and post we need all the people to say what they want.

[jhy]

Just add a Barr category for 3 biggest Barrs and keep the most hogs caught to hogs that are completely intact. Seems like the only logical solution to me. I understand both sides, but catching and releasing hogs is unethical and probably illegal is some places since they do compete with native wildlife for the same food resources. With that being said I don't know how it would be wise for the TDHA or anyone else to allow them to be entered into contests that pay out money and prizes. This would only perpetuate the practice of barring hogs and turning them loose for hunting comps. Doesn't seem like a very good idea to allow them in the main category, but that is just my opinion and not to be taken offense too.

Joey

[sdillard]

Come on do you people really think the only reason we barr a hog is to use in a tournament? Ever since i started catching hogs we cut the boars and killed the barrs. I would hate that a join a HOG HUNTING tournament and chased a barr hog all day long got dog wrecked and then caught the hog and he could not be used because someone months or years before cut him. Thats not fair to me or my dogs.

[jhy]

No, I don't think it is the only reason, but maybe you should have a place to hunt for tournaments that you don't Barr hogs on. Look at it from my perspective: someone goes out and works hogs by barring them and marking them then that should be a hog working comp not a hog hunting comp. I do realize that people's areas overlap that they hunt and you could inadvertently catch a Barr and that is why they need a compromise. I personally do not care if there is a Barr or few in stringer, but if the stringer is half or more big Barrs, then in my eyes that is stacking the scales and no different than feeding out hogs to have an advantage over the folks who hunt hogs to enjoy dog work and help the native wildlife and farmers in the process.

If that doesn't make sense then please explain to me the purpose of a hog hunt? Because I am under the impression that it is put on in part to help control the hog population ( reduce the damage they cause) raise monies for great causes, and promote hunting with dogs. Or is it a Livestock Show like the fair ?

[M Bennet]

i dont barr hogs cause every one i catch we sale it. i dont understand why yall barr them either , its like going out and working cattle doctoring , branding , ect. every aere iv hunted in tx has big boar and sows .  if you have a 1500 acre place and you have been working hogs on there for 10 yrs then there would be some sure enough big barrs.   why dont they have 2 stringers of hogs , boars and sows and then 5 barrs, split the differents. why is this not a pre-caught hog and released to be caught again , iv heard it from several different hog men , that is why they cut and release to catch bigger hogs.

[cward]

Monty you can catch and release boars and sows to. Barrs are just identifyable. 

[cward]

I also have one place I can not turn hogs loose I catch alot of barrs out of there and I did not cut any of them. There again no need for us to enter the competition if our dogs get on barrs and we get dogs cut up or run them in the ground chasing a Barr we just waisted our money entertaining the contest.

[M Bennet]

cward, im stupid when it comes to number 2 like this, cause its like you told me the day i met you, im a hunter and i hunt different, and you were taught by cowboys . we still catch hogs just 2 different ways , good luck my friend

[AnthonyB]

I'm sure that we have all "wasted" more money hunting for fun and farmers, on gas, dogs, equipment, and etc. than we ever will entering contests. Just sayin......
Anthony

[sdillard]

All im saying is that if my dogs catch a Barr HOG while in a HOG hunting tournament it should be allowed as long as you take and pass the lie detector test. 

[cward]

cward, im stupid when it comes to number 2 like this, cause its like you told me the day i met you, im a hunter and i hunt different, and you were taught by cowboys . we still catch hogs just 2 different ways , good luck my friend

Monty I never said you were stupid never came out of my mouth I was taught by cowboys. These guys hunted barrs. A hog is a hog when competition hunting. But never said you were stupid at all. So I hope you did not think I was calling you stupid

[Mike]

for the past 7 years people from east,south,west and north Texas hunters have complained about Barr's being allowed.  cutting are legs off.

Matt, that's not true. I was TDHA BOD for a couple of years. Several very good friends were founding members and heavily involved with TDHA before and after I left. The only issue we had was people cheating, we brought in the polygraph the following year.

Barr hogs were never an issue.

The original intent for the TDHA hunt was to feed the hungry... hopefully it goes back to that this year.

The only reason all this is brought up now, is because Texas J wants the contests to conform to "his" rules. Well, I'm sorry, but Texas J needs to model his program around the existing contest rules that have been in place and working fine for years.

[shsu11]

If that doesn't make sense then please explain to me the purpose of a hog hunt? Because I am under the impression that it is put on in part to help control the hog population ( reduce the damage they cause) raise monies for great causes, and promote hunting with dogs. Or is it a Livestock Show like the fair ?

Please explain to me how having barrs in the stringer doesn't accomplish this?

[jhy]

If this would diminish the turnout for a comp then I say lets just let it ride and allow them in a stringer as long as they pass the lie detector then no harm no foul. After all the main objective of a hunt is to raise money to help the TDHA and LSDHA, etc. raise money to fight for all of our rights and also many hunts raise money for charity and that is the most important thing in my mind.  I think we can all agree on that ?

[boarwild]

for the past 7 years people from east,south,west and north Texas hunters have complained about Barr's being allowed.  cutting are legs off.

Matt, that's not true. I was TDHA BOD for a couple of years. Several very good friends were founding members and heavily involved with TDHA before and after I left. The only issue we had was people cheating, we brought in the polygraph the following year.

Barr hogs were never an issue.

The original intent for the TDHA hunt was to feed the hungry... hopefully it goes back to that this year.

The only reason all this is brought up now, is because Texas J wants the contests to conform to "his" rules. Well, I'm sorry, but Texas J needs to model his program around the existing contest rules that have been in place and working fine for years.

sorry mike i should not i was not around then and i am going only by what i am told. 

[Mike]

If this would diminish the turnout for a comp then I say lets just let it ride and allow them in a stringer as long as they pass the lie detector then no harm no foul. After all the main objective of a hunt is to raise money to help the TDHA and LSDHA, etc. raise money to fight for all of our rights and also many hunts raise money for charity and that is the most important thing in my mind.  I think we can all agree on that ?

Exactly Joey... if hogs are caught fair and square and you can pass the polygraph, there should be no issue.

[cward]

If this would diminish the turnout for a comp then I say lets just let it ride and allow them in a stringer as long as they pass the lie detector then no harm no foul. After all the main objective of a hunt is to raise money to help the TDHA and LSDHA, etc. raise money to fight for all of our rights and also many hunts raise money for charity and that is the most important thing in my mind.  I think we can all agree on that ?

Exactly Joey... if hogs are caught fair and square and you can pass the polygraph, there should be no issue.

X 3 Joey this is correct.  We have never cheated and never will.

[jhy]

I think I spelled it out pretty cut and dry. Once they have been altered then they are not a truly wild animal anymore. Their behavior changes to reflect that of a more domesticated animal, like steers. Therefore you are gathering livestock not hunting technically speaking, but that is only my opinion and I certainly do not want great dog men and hunters to not enter a competition that benefits everyone because of the rule of "No Barr Hogs" especially since it is a legal practice. Now here in Louisiana I am going to push for only 1 barr per 5 hogs to be allowed if any for hunting comps because it is illegal and unethical here to do so and we certainly don't want to end up with the hog problems Texas has!;)

[boarwild]

me as matt and not a tdha BOD what are you people so scared of.  i am getting pms left and right on tdha of people who dont want to vote.  what is the deal.  speak your opinion we are all entitled to one.  

look i am not for barr's in general but i am for compromise but i can bet you Chance, Mike and whoever else disagrees with me can still be friends or at least not hate each other over an opinion  

its like some of the friends i have that moan and grown about our president elect but didnt vote..

[jhy]

I will see you fellas at the Randy Bumpur's. all this talk has got me fired up to start getting dogs tuned up for another exhausting and grueling weekend of catching Swine in God's Country!