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« on: June 11, 2009, 07:38:53 am » |
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I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with freeze branding? I bought a branding iron and I'm planning on using it this weekend. Any information or helpful advice would be appreciated.
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matt_aggie04
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 07:50:56 am » |
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I am in the same boat you are, bought the irons and I know what needs to be done but I am leaning towards having someone come do it because it is pretty hard to "touch it up" if not done properly the first time. If you want to try it yourself here is a link that will get you started. You need a lot of dry ice and alchahol. http://www.coondawgs.com/freezebrand.html |
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 08:37:59 am » |
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MPORTER,
I have branded 4 dogs, two came out pretty good one a yellow dog, and the other a black/tan dog. One looked great on my white dog, but I must not have held it long enough to kill the hair, and the hair grew back in. The other one that did not turn out right is on a lean dog. She does not have much muscling on her thigh/ hip so I did not get an even brand. It will be difficult to get the brand in the exact place again, so I am considering branding her ears with a 1-3/4" brand instead of redoing her hip.
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Bryant
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 08:49:41 am » |
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We did several dogs not too long ago, except we bought liquid nitrogen from the welding house. Got a cheap styrofoam cooler (like from a convience store) and cut a hole in the top just big enough for the brand to fit it. Pour some nitrogen in close the lid and put the brand down in the hole until it stops "boiling".
The key to the whole operation is to hold the brand on long enough. You'll need about four guys to help hold. We ran them probably close to 10 seconds.
Also be sure to shave the dog completely bare where you intend to brand.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 09:11:07 am » |
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Bryant,
Have the brands healed to you liking? What blade did you use on your clippers, and did you brand any of your white dogs? If so, how long did you hold on them?
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cward
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 09:30:54 am » |
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I freeze branded for awhile and sold all my stuff not profitable.On a dog it is best to knock him out you get a a better brand that way.Circle c sometimes it is not how long it is how much pressure 20 ful seconds with the right amount of pressure.
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 09:44:19 am » |
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I sedated the dogs, and learned a few things in the process of branding these four. When they are laying down, it is hard to tell how they carry their leg while standing. Next time, I am going to draw a line with a sharpie marker while the dog is standing, so that I know how to orient the brand.
Chance,
Can there be too much pressure? I held the brand firm and rocked it left to right, but it never came off the dogs hide as I was holding constant pressure.
I used dry ice and denatured alcohol to chill the brand, and waited for the hoars (sp) frost to grow each time...maybe I should have used the liquid nitrogen?
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cward
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 10:03:02 am » |
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I always used liquid nitrogen and yes you can put to much pressure the size of the brand matters to.And there is a time change between dry ice and nitrogen it is most all my horse are branded and everyone of them took different .I branded about 300 horse's and 40 dogs all the dogs turned out ok but like you said there different while laying down.Pressure is hard to explain!A 1" brand does good on the shoulder or hind hip did a 4" brand on the rid cage did not like it.I have used 2" brands on the shoulder and hide leg a little bulky.
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mporter
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 10:04:31 am » |
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Thanks for yawls input on this.....
What do you use to sedate them and is it hard to get? Would numbing the area help at all?
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 10:14:22 am » |
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Chance,
I have a 2-3/4" that I used on the hip, and 1-3/4 that I can use on the ears.
Mporter,
I used "ace", should be able to get it from your vet. However depending on the number of dogs you will brand, if you have to purchase the ace, liq. nitrogen or dry ice, the brand, etc - it may end up cheaper in the long run to pay someone else to do the branding that is already setup for it.
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Chris,
It was several of Travis's dogs that we did. None of my white ones.
They all healed up fine, and look pretty good.
As for the clippers, we just used the clippers they had in the house for beards and stuff. Definately not the way to go..they were ruined in the process. We shaved as close as possible with the clippers, then used a little shaving cream and a regular razor to finalize the deal.
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i have freeze branded alot of cattle and horses and 1 dog, i always use liguid nitrogen and every iron is a little different, it takes some time to learn your iron and how long to hold it on..
if you have to lay a animal down you need to mark and try to keep it square with the ground.
its best to clip as close as you can no hair makes for a even brand, and rocking the brand helps get all the corners good.
like bryant said use a small ice chest and cut a small hole in the lid , you will need a AI tank to store the nitrogen in..
if you just have a couple to do i would pay to have it done..
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Chris is right you might want to atleast watch someone do it.You can buy a video from L & H Branding Irons.We use Rumpam to knock them out it is getting harder to get so many drug heads use this stuff to make there dope.If you have a good relationship with your vet he might sell you some. Were are you located I will be glad to help you if you are not to far I still have some of my stuff. Chris I use surgical clippers! I also have rumpam To knock them out.
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Chance, I might get you to give me a hand on my next round if you don't mind, I would rather have someone with experience there. I have seen dogs done, and had some horses done, but it's different when you are on the end of the brand as opposed to observing. I have access to a dewer (liquid nitrogen tank). I did not use the surgical clippers, because I could not locate any surgical blades locally. The little bit of hair that was left on, did have an effect on the outcome of the brand. Moreso than I would have imagined. I will order some surgical blades before I try again. What dosage of Rompum are you using on a 50# cur? We just used a cc or so of ace orally. My white bulldog required a second dose before he settled down. Most vets will dispense ace. You need a good relationship with your vet to get Rompum , and a great relationship to get Dermosidan (sp)  |
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I would pay to have them all done correctly, so if you want to make a little money on a Saturday or Sunday let me know. I have about 6-8 dogs that I would like to get done and I am not that far from you. Maybe we could get Chris to come to my house and we could get them all done at once. Let me know. From what research I have done, I have not located anyone that was very eager to come brand a dog. They will jump for a horse or cow and then look at you funny and say they don't do dogs haha.
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Chris .3 cc in the vein And yes I will be more than happy to help you I have a nitrogen tank that will hold nitrogen for a day and you are more than welcome to use it.I have rompum also that you can use.And my clippers.The guy who bought my freeze branding stuff still owes me alot of money for it I guess I can go repo it and we will have all the stuff you need.haha Oh yea being you and your wife are breeeding those aussies I have a dog that your wife would love he is not an aussie I will have to show you him to describe him.maybe I can get apicture of him later and send it to you.
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Yes Matt I will help both of yall do it just get with me.I will not charge to do it just will help yall !
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Matt, Load em up and head south . I know that Clay got his brand in too. Maybe we can all meet at my place and have Chance come out. Richard will get me the liquid nitrogen, and there is plenty of room to brand them in the barn. |
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Does the barn have A/C I'm not standing in the heat.LOL
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I just met with my local vet, he sold me 18 tablets (didn't get the name) to knock out the six dogs that i'm wanting to get done. He is also going to help me do the first dog tommarrow for free. He has only done cattle and horses and wanted to try a dog. He also has the clippers & nitrogen for me to use. I have 19 dogs includeing 5 that are 4 week old pups, so i'd like to learn to do it myself. Though, I'm only plan on branding the dogs I am keeping or breeding back to. The info yawl have given here will already help alot.
Cward -If the first one does not seem to go good I'd like to take you up on your offer. I live near Abilene and I'm sure it is a ways from you but, I may be willing to travel to learn to do it right....
Just how far are yawl anyway?
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