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« on: December 23, 2012, 06:22:17 pm » |
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I keep seeing people saying there dogs will stop a runner , I just wondering how does the dog do this ??
I have yet to see a dog that could keep up with a hog in thick briars an vines an all , I got a stag an yes he will run down a hog in open or not real thick stuff but
In briars an all a hog is fast an can run through that stuff
I always thought a hog stopped where it wanted to an not because the dog made him stop unless it was out in the open where the dogs caught him
Just wondering if my dogs are not stoping these running hogs or what ?
We will end up baying them but it will be way away from where they start if the hog decides to run , once they get bayed they usally don't move to much
I always thought a running hog decided where it wanted to stop
What are y'all's thoughts ??
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 06:37:28 pm » |
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I agree that there gonna stop when they want to. But when they break a bay there not gonna want to quit running until they feel there away from the dogs and safe. Now when u say your dog "will stop a runner" usually if it's a bay it'll bite the nuts or ass and get that pig to stop and fight or get it to quit running. Now like you said you run stags I'm guessing they catch the pig once they get to it weather it's on the ass or ear. Right? Cats. Curs or whatever your bays are will, bite then let go and go back to baying until it'll go to run. if they're gritty.
Hope that clarifies~
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 06:39:02 pm » |
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I agree with you totally swamphunter....in Alabama and Georgia where we do most of our hunting, I don't believe a dog can outrun a hog in the thick stuff they go to or are already in when the dogs strike a track. I'm not saying that it can't happen, I've just never seen a dog that could catch up to a hog that wanted to run in this mess and make it stop. If there are such dogs I would love to hunt with them and just watch. I truly believe that if a hog intends to run it's going to......until it gets ready to stop unless it's like you spoke of....out in a field or other wide open place where a dog can catch up to it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2012, 06:47:50 pm » |
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Well ya I agree unless you have greyhounds your not gonna be able to "stop a runner" that's running full speed. My dogs that stop runner usually it'll be within 20-30 yards. By then the dogs don't have a chance.
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Drake Plumb
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2012, 06:48:05 pm » |
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Hunted many hogs with the Swamphunter and to me it seems like they run to where ever they feel safe or have a advantage against the dogs...that's when they will stop, usually a creek or back into thick bears to turn and fight
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 06:55:36 pm » |
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I think people like to think their dogs are good enough to stop a hog in a thicket.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2012, 06:59:04 pm » |
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Where I hunt I don't really have a bunch of thicket. Mainly just open hunting by creek bottoms.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 07:01:55 pm » |
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I think people like to think their dogs are good enough to stop a hog in a thicket.
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Reuben
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2012, 07:08:48 pm » |
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in thick briars the dogs just have to keep running that hog until they give out from the heat or get enough dogs on him at one time to catch him and keep it bayed /caught...open woods in the late winter has always been my favorite time to hunt...
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2012, 07:12:24 pm » |
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I've decided to rephrase the way "I" talk about "stopping a runner". Lol I agree if your dogs never have a hog bayed, it breaks from 1st bark for instance then its gonna be dang hard to stop. This is my new definition of a runner  When I talk about putting "stopping" power into my yard I'm not gonna be talking about a dog that can prevent the above. Im talking about a dog that will do everything in its power (teeth to butt) every time to keep a hog from breaking a bay. I know you can't bay and catch without a break in a high percentage but that's my goal |
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 07:20:07 pm » |
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The dogs have to be able to catch up to them before they can stop them. I've seen several dogs that could shut them down in open pasture but very few, 1 maybe 2, that could "consistently" shut them down in a thicket with a head start unless that hog wanted to stop and they still got beat alot. The best brush dogs I've seen were small framed dogs but then they are at a disadvantage in big open pastures.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 07:55:23 pm » |
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Ok I was just making sure I wasn't the only one that thought the hog picked where it was gonna stop ,
I was just wondering all these post I see with people say this dog so an so will stop a runner lol
I like to think my dogs will keep one bayed pretty good but like lance said they gotta be able to catch up to one to stop it
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2012, 08:06:51 pm » |
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Ok I was just making sure I wasn't the only one that thought the hog picked where it was gonna stop ,
I was just wondering all these post I see with people say this dog so an so will stop a runner lol
I like to think my dogs will keep one bayed pretty good but like lance said they gotta be able to catch up to one to stop it
the first place a hog will run to is the thickest briar patch it can find and run in the thickest brush... after a few runs the hogs get that routine down pretty quick...I have seen them make a quarter mile radius circle and be a 1/2 mile ahead of the dogs in about 5 minutes and the dogs are just finishing that circle run... |
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2012, 08:12:33 pm » |
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I sure hear a lot about all these Nut Experts but I have not hunted with many are seen many. My dogs will bite the nuts to get them turned around but if the hog is big and he wants to run and when he breaks if mine cant get to the nuts then he will run his every lovin ass off then stop when it gets tired are wants to are a place he feels safe and do the same thing again if we cannot get there fast enuff it just keeps going on till he gets away are gets across the river are something. Thats why I have decided to go back to my old type dogs man they would damn sure shut one down but then it was not about all this pretty barking and baying they was gang banging his butt and all this running and gunning was done ! The hogs are way different than they use to be and things have changed and if people cant change with it then I guess people will just keep on chasing hogs and bitchin . First biggest mistake I ever made was when I thought I wanted a pretty back off baying dog and the Worst Mistake I made was when I thought I could timely breed the Ultimate perfect hog dog one that could find the hog , could take the nuts out, stop the hog in its tracks , then back off and bay and hold the hog just perfect till I could get there not matter how long it took LOL ......Well those dogs come along but they come when they want to come and not when you want them to come no matter how good your dogs are and your breeding program is. If you looking for the perfect dog you gonna be looking for a long time . So Am back to the next best thing , Find em, stop em and then gang bang the hell out their asses . Sure does save a whole Lotta running and you catch a whole lot more hogs the bigger trophy ones that is ! JMO
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2012, 09:43:19 pm » |
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Alot of where i hunt in south carolina is preaty much a jungle, we hear the same complants... hog dont bay like they use to, they run all over now i think they stop more when they want then when the dogs put the breaks on them. But its more about the number of other dog hunters/ crap dogs now and most the hogs are learning about dogs. But as far as stopping them, I got a little female cat that will pull a tail/nutts like no other. Shell back off and bay if its a big hog or a group but running right behind her hopfully lol is the RCDs. It works for me and when it goes bad it goes bad quick but most of the places i catch hogs are in the thickets and the hogs are running not just bedding them. But on the other hand ive seen alot of hogs bay up for just one loose dog, weather that means they dont feel the pressure or not who knows. I might be wrong but just what ive seen. One thing ive noticed alot of yall keep your bulldogs on a leash, alot of folks here hunt them with the curs loose. but we probably dont cover the amount of land yall do.
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Reuben
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2012, 04:49:00 am » |
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one loose bay dog will keep a hog bayed sometimes even in places where hogs are known to be runners...but I like rough dogs so...catch some lose some...
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 07:28:47 am » |
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one loose bay dog will keep a hog bayed sometimes even in places where hogs are known to be runners...but I like rough dogs so...catch some lose some...
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 08:50:12 am » |
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the best thing a man can hope for is that there dog has enough bottom to stay with that runnertill he tires out, a big hog will do what he wants ,i have decent dogs , nothin special, and ive caught my share of hogs but i can't say that they shut a hog down in the brush , i will say that hog decided to fight.
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