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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2013, 12:16:17 pm » |
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Do you re-catch many of them ?
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2013, 12:22:10 pm » |
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Do you re-catch many of them ?
Not nearly as many as I Barr, but if I catch one I'm satisfied. People who think you Barr them and go back and catch them whenever is sadly mistaken. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2013, 12:31:30 pm » |
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Very few that I've cut, but caught a bunch that others have. Them big barrs travel... they don't stick around.
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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2013, 12:39:01 pm » |
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Very few that I've cut, but caught a bunch that others have. Them big barrs travel... they don't stick around.
Interesting.....you would think that once they are cut they would settle into one spot. No need to trail sows or search for sows, I would think they would settle into a good area (food, water, cover) and just stay. Very Interesting. |
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2013, 12:40:40 pm » |
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When I see people on here that catch a lot of barrs my first thought is wow, someone is cutting a ton of hogs around there. Clint that used to be on here all the time is probably the all time barr catcher and the country he hunted in had plenty of hunting going on and I dont believe a boar was cought or trapped over there that wasnt cut. I don't know what the numbers are but to catch them with any consistancy you have to cut a lot of them in an area where they have plenty of food and water for them to stick around at all. Some of the guys in Lousiana that talked about it years ago would build a big pen in the woods they hunted. They would keep those cut barrs in that pen for lets say 30 days and feed them and then just open the gate one day and they say those hogs would always stay within a reasonable distance. Almost like a calf mothering up in a set of pens, its just home from then on. I've turned plenty of hogs (not just barrs) loose and while I may see relatives or off spring I dont often see the actual hog that was released.
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« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2013, 12:41:55 pm » |
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How much of a growth difference you think there is between barrs and boars ?
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2013, 12:46:14 pm » |
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That would be an interesting number to see. I don't think it changes the potential for their frame at all just the amount of meat and fat on that frame. I guess what I am saying is a boar that has a huge frame is still going to get bigger than a barr with a smaller frame, some of the size is genetically predetermined. With a lack of hog on hog fighting you usually have large teeth (especially if the whetters were knocked out) wihch makes most hunters happy and the any additional weight is an added bonus. The table is where the biggest difference is noticed.
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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2013, 12:54:14 pm » |
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That would be an interesting number to see. I don't think it changes the potential for their frame at all just the amount of meat and fat on that frame. I guess what I am saying is a boar that has a huge frame is still going to get bigger than a barr with a smaller frame, some of the size is genetically predetermined. With a lack of hog on hog fighting you usually have large teeth (especially if the whetters were knocked out) wihch makes most hunters happy and the any additional weight is an added bonus. The table is where the biggest difference is noticed.
Why does it taste different? Same food sources, but eat more of it. But if they travel more or just as much as a regular boar I wouldn't think their would be a difference in.....?...tenderness? Lack of testosterone? Not debating, just thinking out loud. What is it that makes the difference? |
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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2013, 01:00:49 pm » |
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I believe it's the testosterone. Same idea as banding calfs ?
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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2013, 01:06:12 pm » |
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I believe it's the testosterone. Same idea as banding calfs ?
I agree. If u catch a big boar just slipping around doing its thing and u drop him dead with a bullet in his tracks he taste just as good as a sow or Barr. The only difference may be fat content. |
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2013, 01:30:57 pm » |
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I like the idea of turning potential future trophies loose. I don't care to eat them.
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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2013, 01:35:20 pm » |
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I'm pretty sure if the farmers caught us catching and releasing hogs that would be the end of us hunting there.
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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2013, 02:02:55 pm » |
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I dont know of many people barring hogs in a crop land setting. But in dense woods and swamps, whose counting?
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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2013, 02:14:09 pm » |
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I dont know of many people barring hogs in a crop land setting. But in dense woods and swamps, whose counting?
Most of the land we hunt backs up to farm land but I guess at the deer lease or something we could. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2013, 02:34:39 pm » |
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It's not for everyone. If you have the places to do it, I encourage people to try it. It's a win win, you take away all breeding potential, and increases the potential for better table meat, not to mention the trophy aspect.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2013, 02:59:14 pm » |
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Some places I will barr and some places I won't. Depends on land owner.
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2013, 06:59:58 pm » |
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I hunt a big 20,000 acre cattle lease, in S FL barring and turning a hog loose is a way of life to most ppl born and raised here. Alot of ppl even knock there wetters out. Everyone does it and make fun of the ppl that dont. Plain and simple. I use to mark hogs until the deer hunters started recognizing the ear or tail marked and shooting my trophy barrs for sausage. Now I just cut there nuts and turn them back loose now no ear mark!
The place I hunt now has a rich tradition of cutting them and turning them loose. I have caught more barrs in the last month in S FL then I had in 2 years in N FL.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2013, 12:55:06 pm » |
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I catch a lot of Barrs in FL as well. I don't know who is barring them but I would love to meet them and thank them. Have some great meat and trophies. I have since barred some myself to return the favor to whoever else is out there.
If I catch a real nasty boar with good teeth and size I recommend not barring such an animal but letting it go to pass it genes on. Assuming of course you are permitted to do such a thing.
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2013, 01:17:58 pm » |
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That would be an interesting number to see. I don't think it changes the potential for their frame at all just the amount of meat and fat on that frame. I guess what I am saying is a boar that has a huge frame is still going to get bigger than a barr with a smaller frame, some of the size is genetically predetermined. With a lack of hog on hog fighting you usually have large teeth (especially if the whetters were knocked out) wihch makes most hunters happy and the any additional weight is an added bonus. The table is where the biggest difference is noticed.
Why does it taste different? Same food sources, but eat more of it. But if they travel more or just as much as a regular boar I wouldn't think their would be a difference in.....?...tenderness? Lack of testosterone? Not debating, just thinking out loud. What is it that makes the difference? It is called 'boar taint'.. Same reason all show pigs are cut hogs. You may get lucky and can eat a young boar or catch a feed grain boar that's not bad, but trust me you'll know the smell and taste when you do get ahold of it. I've seen some guys ruin whole batches of sausage by adding a boar hog to it http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boar_taintWe cut hogs for 2 reasons, trophy aspect and and sausage aspect. Honestly the return rate is very low. It's always a special event to repo one of your own Barrs. Not everyone has the property to do it, but around east Texas where we hunt everyone I know Barrs hogs |
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2013, 02:28:48 pm » |
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We cut hogs for 2 reasons, trophy aspect and and sausage aspect. Honestly the return rate is very low. It's always a special event to repo one of your own Barrs. Not everyone has the property to do it, but around east Texas where we hunt everyone I know Barrs hogs
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x2!!!!!! It is nice to catch one a year or later down the road and see your mark or recognize the hog! Its crazy how fast they will grow.
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